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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by adventured »

barbacoa wrote: post #75
Existenceblinks wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

How affordable is $50 in rural Thailand compared to the USA?

The US has around ~10-12 times the disposable median income of Thailand (2019 figures), and ~10 times the GDP per capita of Thailand (2022 IMF estimates).

It's like a typical consumer in the US spending $500+ per month for broadband. Even worse if you consider the rural income factor. Absolutely insane.

For a fraction of that you can get 1gbps from Comcast and you'll never utilize most of it in 99% of consumer situations.

I'm in a small quasi rural 'city' in the US, hours away from any consequential city, and I can get 1.2gbps from Comcast for 15-20% of the income adjusted rate in question referenced for Thailand.

It seems common to forget how astoundingly high US median income, disposable income, and GDP per capita figures are compared to the rest of the world. The latest 2022 estimates are pegging US GDP per capita at nearly double that of France and Japan. To match up on median disposable income figures, you have to use hyper affluent countries like Australia, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland and Norway as references. Then people come on HN and proclaim how they're paying only $20 per month for Internet access, in a country with 1/10-1/5 the median disposable income of the US. The US is more expensive than it should be for Internet access (better telecom competition would go a long ways toward fixing that), however the reality is US income figures are also a lot higher than most of the developed world.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by wonderbore »

KMnO4 wrote: post #92
Existenceblinks wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$50 is about 1 week of 3 meals consumption per day (lower middle class)

So a bit under $2.50/meal. That’s very comparable to lower/lower-middle in the USA.

$2.50/meal prepared outside, not from ingredients like in the US. You can easily get a meal for 40 baht across Thailand ($1.20)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by wonderbore »

Existenceblinks wrote: post #104
KMnO4 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a bit under $2.50/meal. That’s very comparable to lower/lower-middle in the USA.

In capital city, I'd say it's about $4-5/meal (including drink) in daily basis. For those who eat lots of things, $7/meal makes them full. --- footnote here: official income record of thai people/businesses does not really reflect reality. Lots of entities are kind of off-system.

Where do you spend 120 baht a meal? That's a restaurant meal, not the average meal. I don't spend more than 60 baht in Bangkok. At $7 (250 baht) you're talking about a night out (maybe except alcohol), way off of the "average meal".

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Bud »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #72

I'm thrilled with my gigabit fiber from Sonic. I wonder how many of their customers even get the full gigabit though; if they are connecting with WiFi they almost certainly aren't. And even ethernet is still not reliably gigabit in homes with older wiring. But this 25gbit is in another category. I'm impressed the Ookla speedtest server can deliver 25Gbit. The 25gbit network card he mentions costs $400-$500, that's ch…

I had Sonic fiber for a few years, in the Bay Area. I always got the full gigabit, basically. Speedtest always showed around 940Mbps up and down. This was over Ethernet, since I always ran Ethernet into the Thunderbolt dock for my main Mac.

Usually got around 500-600Mbps over WiFi on a fast device.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Existenceblinks »

zaroth wrote: post #108
KMnO4 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a bit under $2.50/meal. That’s very comparable to lower/lower-middle in the USA.

Where did you get that number?

A decade of data set from my experience and network. Not from govt.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by m0ngr31 »

pirate787 wrote: post #53
downrightmike wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA requires more raw materials to provide services. United States is about 19 times bigger than Thailand. Thailand is approximately 513,120 sq km, while United States is approximately 9,833,517 sq km, making United States 1,816% larger than Thailand. And then there is the duopoly of ISPs where they carve out huge chunks and agree not to compete.

I live in a metro area in the US and thousands of homes in my community do not have land-based broadband options. The US incumbents have totally failed and it isn't because there's a lot of desert in the West and Alaska. I'm sick of this argument which doesn't explain why city dwellers in most places in America have the worst internet in the developed world.

I live in the middle of nowhere USA. I'm about 1,000 feet off the road (that only random farms are on, about 20 miles from the small city we're near).

My local ISP trenched fiber to my house for free and provides gig internet for $80/month.

The funny thing is my previous house was in town and I had to settle for 100Mbit for the same price. ISPs are all sorts of messed up.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Lammy »

mdb31 wrote: post #90

25Gb/s is just overkill for residential use. It's really cool that's it's available, but I fail to see a use case over my 500Mb/s home connection. Even for the servers that I manage and that are bandwidth-heavy, 10Gb/s is way overprovisioned for now. WiFi goes up to 1Gb/s, if you're lucky. Sure, some WiFi-6 APs have a 2.5Gb/s connector, but that's not what you want or need, unless you're a high-density enterprise. Wi…

25Gb NICs are getting into the affordable range, but SFP28 modules are still very pricey in comparison. I’m a big fan of the Mellanox CX4 LX cards for their low power draw (11w max). OEM cards come cheap and can be crossflashed to generic Mellanox firmware.

The bigger issue with 25G is that it’s well into the range where any OS’s default TCP settings won’t provide anywhere near line speed, and once you solve that it can expose other non-network bottlenecks. I have dual-SFP28 cards in both my workstation and NAS, both connected to the network via a10G Mikrotik switch and directly to each other via a 25G point-to-point link. Now after all that tuning I have a fast network but run into the SAS bus bottleneck for any file transfers exceeding the size of my app take write cache :p

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Existenceblinks »

wonderbore wrote: post #123
Existenceblinks wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In capital city, I'd say it's about $4-5/meal (including drink) in daily basis. For those who eat lots of things, $7/meal makes them full. --- footnote here: official income record of thai people/businesses does not really reflect reality. Lots of entities are kind of off-system.

Where do you spend 120 baht a meal? That's a restaurant meal, not the average meal. I don't spend more than 60 baht in Bangkok. At $7 (250 baht) you're talking about a night out (maybe except alcohol), way off of the "average meal".

(including drink) .. if you eat rice something with water everyday, it's quite a tight lifestyle.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by geoka9 »

Existenceblinks wrote: post #36
jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

I'm in a top 10 most expensive city in the world (Canada) and the best I can get for $50 is 80 Mbps (and even that is only available as a promotion that you can't get by simply going to the ISP's website and buying a plan).
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