It feels surreal that I pay 100PLN/month (~25usd) for my symmetrical 1Gbit/s in Poland.
My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home
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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home
#482Earlier quoted context omitted.
25Gbps is not insane if you are using commodity hardware. If you are buying any sort of datacenter switch, most likely it will be 25G/100G already. 10G/40G is dead tech. Now, 400G uplinks are still pretty reserved, but 100G (and its' breakout, 4 x 25G) is common as dirt now.
I struggle to find a 10Gbps USB NIC for my laptop.
Go with surplus commercial hardware and be judicious about when you turn your equipment on.
Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home
#483Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh boy I feel for you. Is it because of the house/street or a general issue in London?
I have 1gbps fibre in central London and generally see >750mbps in real link speed, 900 on a good day. At my previous flat 150mbps was the fastest available. So it varies a lot in London on where exactly you are.
Are you with hyperoptic or community fibre? I’m with the former and see speeds around what you’re saying. I think CF are rolling out 3gbps connections in my area though.
Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home
#484Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In other words, effectively developed = what we are, developing = trying to be what we are. That’s the plan, yes. > Ultimately it is forcing a finite game onto the world. Global south sounds like a better term. Except that it’s geographically inaccurate as well as kind of racist. Japan, Singapore, and Korea can get richer than France or Spain, but they still get lumped in with the other non-white people in “the glo…
> That’s the plan, yes. Just to clarify, the plan is to stop developing? > Japan, Singapore, and Korea can get richer than France or Spain, but they still get lumped in with the other non-white people in “the global south.” Global south/north divide lumps SK, SG and JP into the north. I have a bigger problem with it putting Russia there, but not e.g. Argentina. Besides, note how the term "developed" sounds like it ha…
> Global south/north divide lumps SK, SG and JP into the north.
Only if you arbitrarily make exceptions for what’s “south”—ignoring the fact that Singapore and Taiwan and Korea are south of China. The phrase itself implies a permanent association between “south” (I.e. non-white, since skin color is a function of latitude) and “under-undeveloped.” That seems far worse to me than acknowledging that developing countries are indeed trying to become like developed countries.
Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home
#485I had 10gb internet on what was essentially a shared connection when I lived in Zürich. That, along with a surplus server I literally housed in my shoe closet, gave me the firepower I needed to prototype out something that led to two research grants which now employ myself and a new PhD student. We discount technological investments like this as being “too much” and “unpractical”, but we forget that, even if it only…
Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Even a low speed connection in a rural zone can achieve wonderful things. But I really wonder what was your prototype that needed that speed connection and that wouldn't work with something slower. Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?
Anything working with (downloading) massive datasets would 'work' slower, but as fast as possible (provided the supplier can keep up too) is better?
Add in a requirement/desire for it being real-time (or equivalently (you'd get further and further behind) continual) and it could be necessary if large (per second) enough.
Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home
#486Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work? We work with gis/satellite data. Nothing groundbreaking technically, but we aggregate it into products that are useful for social science researchers who aren’t comfortable with or don’t have the computing resources to use this data by themselves.
What exactly about gis/satellite data required such an insane uplink?
I'm sure there's >10Gbits of 'gis/satellite data' available every second if you want it?
Or what if you want a bunch of historical data for some sort of analysis, and you'd like to start that now, not next week when it finishes downloading? If it's historical (i.e. sitting there available to download) then faster is always better right? If your connection is the bottleneck then all else equal why wouldn't you want it?
(I imagine 10Gbps is about the point currently where it's not necessarily going to help going faster on your end, unless you you have multiple (concurrent) sources, or know that even at that you're still still the bottleneck.)
Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home
#487Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is term is commonly misused as it originally referred to countries beyond the Cold War's NATO/USSR denominations. Today the parent likely refers to a country in the global south or a "developing" nation. I'm from what used to be a third-world country in the strict sense of term, I'd now refer to my country as a country in the global south.
I think you have successfully illustrated the failure of "global south" as a replacement term. I'm not against replacing "third world", but something with the word "south" is ambiguous and counterintuitive.
Funnily enough until they said their country was such, I assumed they were American saying 'global' South to distinguish from meaning a South American country.
'Southern hemisphere' is fine though I think? And I assume that's what was meant.
Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home
#488Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…
I live in New Zealand, 1Gb uncapped fibre is available in most urban areas at reasonable cost (sub $100/month) - I keep getting feelers from the fibre company to upgrade (to 2/4Gb) and I honestly can't imagine why I'd bother - I work at home (have for 20 years) but I seldom find myself waiting for the net, we don't have a problem when everyone's streaming .... and I'd have to upgrade ALL the household infrastructure - routers/wiring .... and we'd still be limited by wifi speeds (which is what everyone outside my office uses).
I used to design 2D graphics accelerators, one thing we learned was that perceived performance is not linear, in reality there was a performance region where people would always crave more, and another where things were fast enough and people were happy but wouldn't open their wallets for massive increases .... at that point 10x seemed more like 1.5x) - I suspect that something similar applies to home net performance too
Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home
#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but the ISP has to pay for transit, too. You aren’t going to be able to get settlement free peering as an ISP like that.
I don’t have a ton of knowledge in this area and am probably missing some things. But, I figured if they’re already able to offer 10G for $40/mo when they have to run their own physical infra on top of the peering and data center costs then they should be able to do it at a higher margin without. That higher margin could be a boon for them towards building their own infra in their current service area as well. If the…
Transit costs aren't always the same in all locations
Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home
#490I had 10gb internet on what was essentially a shared connection when I lived in Zürich. That, along with a surplus server I literally housed in my shoe closet, gave me the firepower I needed to prototype out something that led to two research grants which now employ myself and a new PhD student. We discount technological investments like this as being “too much” and “unpractical”, but we forget that, even if it only…
Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Even a low speed connection in a rural zone can achieve wonderful things. But I really wonder what was your prototype that needed that speed connection and that wouldn't work with something slower. Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?
This. In a developing country, zero internet/mobile to email/mobile SMS has a huge economic impact for farmers who want to check prices in local market. Scale up to 1Mbit via 3/4G, the economic impact is equally enormous for a variety of reasons.