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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by photochemsyn »

lazide wrote: post #114
photochemsyn wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's consider Gross National Product of each county adjusted for population size: gnpUSD = {'USA': 21,650,000,000,000, 'THA': 491,910,000,000} #4th quarter 2021 pop = {'USA': 329,000,000, 'THA': 70,000,000} #as of 2021 gnp['USA'] // pop['USA'] 65805 gnp['THA'] // pop['THA'] 7027 Seems more like a distribution of resources issue... so why not jack up taxes on the wealthiest 1% and use it to pay for things like high-s…

It isn’t a ‘tax the 1%’ issue, it’s a corruption and market capture issue in the US that we refuse to acknowledge. Throwing more money at it usually makes that kind of problem WORSE not better.

FDR's Rural Electricity Cooperatives did a lot to electrify much of the midwest and rural south, along with the creation of the TVA. I doubt anyone would want to rely on the current major providers, Comcast etc., who have such a bad track record, to accomplish this. Municipal broadband sounds like a better option:

> "The Rural Electrification Act of 1936, enacted on May 20, 1936, provided federal loans for the installation of electrical distribution systems to serve isolated rural areas of the United States. The funding was channeled through cooperative electric power companies, hundreds of which still exist today. (wiki)"

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by dghlsakjg »

geoka9 wrote: post #130
Existenceblinks wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

I'm in a top 10 most expensive city in the world (Canada) and the best I can get for $50 is 80 Mbps (and even that is only available as a promotion that you can't get by simply going to the ISP's website and buying a plan).

Have you looked at smaller ISPs?

I live in rural BC and I'm was able to get 80Mb for $35 using a no-name internet only provider with no contract.

If I went with one of the big cable companies I would be paying at least double for the same thing

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by gh02t »

Pulcinella wrote: post #61
atonse wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what’s the value there? Even 4K high quality video is much less than 100mbps

Multiple 4K streams become possible. E.g. when the whole family comes over for the holiday we can all ignore eachother in favor of 4K video streams (which have better resolution, color, and cinematography than the real world ;) )

There aren't many (any?) services that are offering Bluray quality 4K HDR streams but even those are only 140 mbps. I would think 1 gigabit down should cover most families handily, especially when you consider most streaming services are more like 20 mbps max.

The main argument I see is "if you build it they will come" i.e. we won't see higher bitrates until connections like these are more common, but for now gigabit has even fairly extreme use cases for video streaming pretty well covered.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by zhdc1 »

101008 wrote: post #71
zhdc1 wrote: post #45

I had 10gb internet on what was essentially a shared connection when I lived in Zürich. That, along with a surplus server I literally housed in my shoe closet, gave me the firepower I needed to prototype out something that led to two research grants which now employ myself and a new PhD student. We discount technological investments like this as being “too much” and “unpractical”, but we forget that, even if it only…

Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Even a low speed connection in a rural zone can achieve wonderful things. But I really wonder what was your prototype that needed that speed connection and that wouldn't work with something slower. Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?

> Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?

We work with gis/satellite data. Nothing groundbreaking technically, but we aggregate it into products that are useful for social science researchers who aren’t comfortable with or don’t have the computing resources to use this data by themselves.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by adventured »

wereHamster wrote: post #120
mdb31 wrote: post #90

25Gb/s is just overkill for residential use. It's really cool that's it's available, but I fail to see a use case over my 500Mb/s home connection. Even for the servers that I manage and that are bandwidth-heavy, 10Gb/s is way overprovisioned for now. WiFi goes up to 1Gb/s, if you're lucky. Sure, some WiFi-6 APs have a 2.5Gb/s connector, but that's not what you want or need, unless you're a high-density enterprise. Wi…

25GB/s is overkill, and 640K ought to be enough for anyone. Those quotes age well.

1 Gbit/s is pretty close to still being overkill. 25 Gbit/s is laughable overkill and appears very likely to remain that way for the coming decade.

Consumers around the globe have had increasingly common access to 1 Gbit/s for a decade and there still aren't any other great, common use cases for it beyond very high quality video streaming.

It didn't take very long for computer use to need more than 640K by comparison. In the computer realm those edges were being constantly pushed at that time. Such is not the case with bleeding edge consumer broadband speeds today.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by snovv_crash »

Youden wrote: post #88
cm2187 wrote: post #5

Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost. I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.

I have the same internet provider and package. While 25Gbps is indeed basically unattainable to anything other than Init7's speedtest server, it's easy to exceed 1Gbps. Software and driver updates exceed 1Gbps all the time, as do game updates/downloads through Steam. Piracy also works really well. Downloading copyrighted media is perfectly legal in Switzerland and I was able to get ~7Gbps real-world speeds from Usene…

Also with init7, very happy with my 1Gbps line. I'd probably even take a 300Mbps if it was half the price. Even with gigabit LAN I don't saturate the line more than a few seconds a day on things like updates, and anything from my RPi NAS isn't going to saturate it anyways.

Please note too, piracy is not legal in Switzerland. What is illegal is the spying and tracking which would be necessary to build a case and prosecute pirates. Technically you could still self-incriminate if you documented all of your piracy, with proof, and published it online.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by lettergram »

jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

Most cities >100k in the Midwest can get fiber for $55-$200/month at speeds 1-10Gb/s.

Where I’m at it’s $80/month for a 5gb/s. If you want that in a major city, >1m people; good luck.

Corruption, regulation and development costs are just too high.

Rather sad to be honest.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by iso1210 »

Thaxll wrote: post #56
cm2187 wrote: post #5

Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost. I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.

Well you need to do some calculation first how much a single TCP stream can provide.

It's not 1998 any more, you've got multiple TCP streams, things like QUIC and other UDP based protocols, and of course good old fashioned window scaling which will go upto an 8gbit window, so as long as you've got an rtt under 300ms you'll be fine at 25gbit.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Existenceblinks »

wonderbore wrote: post #122
KMnO4 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a bit under $2.50/meal. That’s very comparable to lower/lower-middle in the USA.

$2.50/meal prepared outside, not from ingredients like in the US. You can easily get a meal for 40 baht across Thailand ($1.20)

The funny thing about rice with something, most of the time you want to add an fried egg too (more likely like + 10 bath charge). Crispy Pork is about 10 bath more expensive than the other. I think 40 bath is like 5 years ago pricing. You can still get it somewhere. 50-60 bath is more standard now.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by baybal2 »

101008 wrote: post #71
zhdc1 wrote: post #45

I had 10gb internet on what was essentially a shared connection when I lived in Zürich. That, along with a surplus server I literally housed in my shoe closet, gave me the firepower I needed to prototype out something that led to two research grants which now employ myself and a new PhD student. We discount technological investments like this as being “too much” and “unpractical”, but we forget that, even if it only…

Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Even a low speed connection in a rural zone can achieve wonderful things. But I really wonder what was your prototype that needed that speed connection and that wouldn't work with something slower. Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?

> Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives.

Being from a soon north korea 2.0 to be (russia,) I can say it was my surprise to see Internet being so bad across the developed countries when I was travelling in the previous decade. Canada - ridiculously expensive traffic, Germany - no comments, UK - sometimes good, sometimes 128kbps DSL, USA - 20mbps DocSis everywhere

India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, much of Africa had FTTH as the dominant way of home Internet connection for a while.

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