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No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by selfhifive »

PaulHoule wrote: post #11

A counter is that other countries (Japan, Korea, Italy, ...) that enforce traditional values have had a collapse in the birth rate. Having children out of wedlock is a safety valve for broken institutions that keeps the birth rate higher in the US than comparable countries; that plus relatively open integration helps us maintain our economy, welfare state, pensions, etc. If we turned the screws on women and men to di…

And? Isn't overpopulation a major concern? Why would you want higher birthrates? Already there exist more people than required for jobs in the economy.

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Post by engineeringwoke »

refurb wrote: post #50
gumby wrote: post #19

It’s interesting to read these (plausible, far from absurd) analyses from the Anglosphere when we have an alternative to compare, to whit the northern European democracies where marriage is in steep decline across all social classes yet the societies are more successful (at least if your metrics are things like poverty rates, lifetimes, nutrition, stress, etc).

First off the article says nothing about marriage it speaks of “two parent households”, so an unmarried couple raising kids would fit the author’s thesis entirely. Second, pretty sure I’d argue the recent riots in Sweden would back up exactly the author’s theory around poorly behaved young males. But hey, your nutritional rate is high!

> Second, pretty sure I’d argue the recent riots in Sweden would back up exactly the author’s theory around poorly behaved young males.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by bastawhiz »

seibelj wrote: post #54
pydry wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defund the police blew up because certain communities' only experience of police is of being harassed, beaten and robbed. It's hardly an attitude that's dripping with privilege. The backlash, on the other hand...

Gallop: 81% of black Americans want police to spend same amount or more time in their area https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-r... Defund the police is popular with nobody except rich liberals living in privilege bubbles. People in crime ridden areas especially don’t want it.

Does that poll support your argument? Spending and funding isn't directly correlated with "spending time". Chicago spends almost two billion dollars each year on police. Yet it's often cited as one of the most dangerous cities. I'm sure plenty of folks in Chicago's South side would love more patrols. Is the right way to go about that really to keep throwing money at a system which appears to be squandering the funds? Especially when they spend tens (or some years, hundreds) of millions of dollars settling misconduct lawsuits?

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by sokoloff »

t0suj4 wrote: post #95
Helitioo wrote: post #7

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We need to find a better reason why this happens. I don't believe it's liberal social values which are not lived by. First of I would believe it's an educational problem and second it's a 'who cares' problem. There are plenty of areas/ghettos of low income and low education around. The blog also contains the following: "The people with the most money and education—the class most responsible for shaping culture and cu…

From what I've heard the problem are divorce courts granting women nearly everything. That rigs the game against dads. Marriage is a huge liability. Men are gambling with nearly all their lives on their partner's unwillingness into a divorce. On the other hand I've heard rumors where therapists were suggesting divorce to married women. I don't know how widespread that is but maybe something worth looking into.

It seems obvious to me there are situations where a therapist should help their client/patient explore divorce as an option.

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Post by dnndev »

AvocadoPanic wrote: post #94
dnndev wrote: post #32

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What about married couples that decide not to have children ? The truth is it’s hard, and if the community does not support families then you have less children. Think about both parents working full time + and barely having enough to provide from a material standpoint, let along emotional and education. Point is parenting is hard and life today makes it harder. I don’t believe wedlock is a deciding reason for people…

We rearranged our life from DINK to SIWK for this reason. If I'm paying for childcare the expenses often increase linearly with the number of children, with my wife caring for our children we were able to double the number of children while substantially reducing costs. We are no longer jetting to Alps for skiing, and we've not had a night out without the kids in 9 years but we've different priorities now.

That is great. I am glad that you were able to make this change! It was not until we had our own children that I truly understood (or maybe appreciated) when my mom would say "After all I have done for you" OR "Thats why we can never have anything nice"... HAHAH. I love it. totally relate now.

On a serious side note. I think many (including us) highly underestimate how much time children require.

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Post by paconbork »

dijit wrote: post #101
endisneigh wrote: post #49

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Curious to see the source showing European democracies are more successful, controlling for socioeconomic status.

It all depends on what you’re aiming for, socio-economically. If you want billionaires then the US model is much more successful. If you want a wide middle class then the Swedish model is more successful. If you want happiness then the Danish model is more successful. If you want to eliminate poverty then the Finnish model is more successful.

Sweden and Norway have more billionaires per capita than the US does.

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Post by bombcar »

ryan93 wrote: post #78
sandworm101 wrote: post #6

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Maybe for those men lucky enough to have families. A growing issue is the large percentage of men who do not and will likely never have families to ever take care of. If we think deadbeat dads unstable, the incel community is a madhouse.

incels commit almost no violence against women compared to men in relationships

Everyone enjoys identifying why “bad people” are not “like me” and then put them in a group that is the “other”.

This causes unintentional and eventually intentional coverups when presented with someone “in your group” doing something obviously wrong.

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Post by Aunche »

PaulHoule wrote: post #11

A counter is that other countries (Japan, Korea, Italy, ...) that enforce traditional values have had a collapse in the birth rate. Having children out of wedlock is a safety valve for broken institutions that keeps the birth rate higher in the US than comparable countries; that plus relatively open integration helps us maintain our economy, welfare state, pensions, etc. If we turned the screws on women and men to di…

>If we turned the screws on women and men to discourage out-of-wedlock births we might find that people decide not to have children at all.

I don't think that's such a bad thing. We can maintain a health population with immigration. There are plenty of places with more people than meaningful work opportunities.

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

BurningFrog wrote: post #121
rayiner wrote: post #74

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It’s not a matter of luck—men in my dad’s village in Bangladesh start families, have kids, and live relatively happy lives in poverty even most poor Americans could not comprehend. I don’t think it’s fair to call all these guys incels. As the article observes, most just have no expectations placed on them, and also have no way of attaining dignity and social worth through the avenues in life reasonably available to t…

OP wrote "lucky" but probably meant "fortunate".

Can you define the difference (Serious question)?
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