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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Talanes »

ggpsv wrote: post #392
rayiner wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Third world is inaccurate, but what’s wrong with “developing world.” Also: did I call it about China and Australia or did I call it?

Like I mentioned in my top-most comment, "developing nation" is what people typically refer to. As to your comment, I was pointing out that "global south" is not a euphemism for "developing nation". I'd say it is the other way around and in a misguided way. This is because the global south/north designation intentionally distances itself from terminology such as "developing nation". I understand if this comes across…

>I understand if this comes across as pedantry but the global north and south terminology does a better job at leveling the playing field when talking about wealth and progress disparities.

I mean... but how? It's just the exact same concepts with less intuitively obvious words. Arguably it frames the disparity as a more immutable part of a nation; it doesn't fit normal language patterns to talk about a country moving north/south.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by FridgeSeal »

jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

I feel you.

Here in Australia: $90/month nets you “100/40mb”, which is really more like “~85mb down, 25 up but only a quiet night, if you’re next to the router, and it hasn’t rained within the last week”.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by nimish »

Lammy wrote: post #128
mdb31 wrote: post #90

25Gb/s is just overkill for residential use. It's really cool that's it's available, but I fail to see a use case over my 500Mb/s home connection. Even for the servers that I manage and that are bandwidth-heavy, 10Gb/s is way overprovisioned for now. WiFi goes up to 1Gb/s, if you're lucky. Sure, some WiFi-6 APs have a 2.5Gb/s connector, but that's not what you want or need, unless you're a high-density enterprise. Wi…

25Gb NICs are getting into the affordable range, but SFP28 modules are still very pricey in comparison. I’m a big fan of the Mellanox CX4 LX cards for their low power draw (11w max). OEM cards come cheap and can be crossflashed to generic Mellanox firmware. The bigger issue with 25G is that it’s well into the range where any OS’s default TCP settings won’t provide anywhere near line speed, and once you solve that it…

> SFP28 modules are still very pricey

SR is ~$40 and LR is ~$60, so more expensive than SFP+ modules but not out of the reach of someone who even has a capable SFP28 port.

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Post by arcade79 »

zahma wrote: post #97

No %#*^ing way is he saturating a 25gbit connection to download a PS5 game — not on Sony’s EMEA servers anyway. He’d download the largest PS5 game out there (Borderlands at 50GB) in a minute anyway — probably before he could reach the full 25gbit. On a gigabit connection, he could download Borderlands in under 7 minutes. If that’s too long too wait, then having a faster connection isn’t this guy’s problem. The only u…

First off, I trust Stapelberg, as I had him as an intern ~10 years ago :P

Secondly, I'd like to point out that I wired up my house for 1Gbit about 20 years ago. And I've been frustrated about the lack of home equipment for 10Gbit for about 15 years.

I mean, I reached download speeds of 150MB/s about ~15 years ago. What The Actual Fuck.

No, I don't live in the US, nor the Neterlands, nor Switzerland.

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Post by hedora »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #296
mmaunder wrote: post #163

The challenge with anything above a gig is the LAN. 10gig+ switches and SFP modules are expensive for consumers. So is the client hardware. We use thunderbolt 3 on our macs with ATTO Thunderlink to get 40Gbps locally and they’re kinda the only option and their hardware is bulky, expensive and their software sucks. Also config on Mac is awkward. There’s also some weirdness when you upgrade to that speed into a backbon…

I just upgraded some of my home network to 10 Gbps; it was way cheaper than I thought: - 3 NICs with SPF+ at ~ $45 a piece - 1 switch with 4 SFP+ and 1 RJ45@1Gbps: $140 - 1 switch with 2 SFP+ and 8 x RJ45@1Gbps: $100 - ~ $100 for all the DACs and AOCs So I have the backbone and 3 computers @ 10 Gbps and a number of other devices left at 1 Gbps, all for $500. This is just because I have many devices connected and some…

What's the power consumption on that stuff? Last time I checked 10GBit switches were drawing high 100's of watts.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by joshschreuder »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #412
jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

I feel you. Here in Australia: $90/month nets you “100/40mb”, which is really more like “~85mb down, 25 up but only a quiet night, if you’re next to the router, and it hasn’t rained within the last week”.

It’s much, much better than it used to be at least (depending on where you live + NBN technology choice of course). And yet still completely hamstrung by the mess the current government made of the original NBN plan.

If you live in an area that can get HFC, FTTP, FTTN etc. it’s possible these days to get a pretty consistent 1000/50 for $150/month. Those fibre services are pretty stable in my experience, definitely a million times better than the old broadband which as you put got destroyed by bad weather and distance from the exchange.

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Post by neitsab »

neitsab wrote: post #409
ornornor wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> enjoy the "European roaming data envelope" Which provider would you recommend? I remember taking a look a while back and the most viable option was Free, but 15.99 EUR a month for when I need roaming 3–4 times a year seemed a bit excessive at 180.- per year.

For your specific use case, I'd say give Lebara mobile a shot.[0] SIM card is free, you can top it up with a prepaid amount or do a one-month plan without renewing it, and I just checked their T&Cs relating to roaming and they are actually quite generous[1][2]. Besides, their website is (for the most part) translated in English due to their target demographic, so no need for full French fluency here! Some good info i…

I'll nention it for completeness sake: another possible solution, albeit a bit cumbersome, would be to get a regular contract-free plan but suspend it for the period you don't need it.

A cursory search indicates that both Orange and Bouygues (as well as their contract-free offshoots, Sosh and B&YOU respectively) still offer this as a paid option at 5€ and 7€ per month respectively.

This means you could get the plan appropriate for your needs, then suspend it (for at most 6 month per year it seems) and only reactivate it when you need it.

However since this procedure requires getting in touch with customer service, it should be reserved for people well versed in French :-)

Edit: adding links (all in French)

https://www.echosdunet.net/dossiers/suspendre-ligne#suspensi...

https://assistance.sosh.fr/faq/308268

https://www.assistance.bouyguestelecom.fr/s/article/suspensi...

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by hedora »

kbenson wrote: post #352
hedora wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a sometimes 12mbit connection, but there's a Fiber POP about 1 mile down the road. There are phone poles (with fiber on them) between here and there. What does it cost to string fiber on poles, and what are the hopes of getting right of way? Alternatively, is there some way to pay / force the telco to build out FTTH? Some people a few miles away have a fiber POP at the end of their shared driveway, and are try…

In the US I believe anyone can use the pole space as long as it's not taken, but I'm not an expert. I do know you have to fill out engineering documents per-pole to explain the load and propose (pay for?) fixing the load bearing attached cables. At the ISP I work for, I believe we spec out the cabling we need to a neighborhood and then order a special bundle with breakouts at specific locations along the length to se…

Thanks. The polls are ancient (1980's; most bow 10-20 degress under the tension of the existing tensioning cables.)

This street got sold off to a bankrupt telco (from what I can tell, their business model is to buy up unprofitable lines, then periodically file for bankruptcy).

There are a few local fiber providers. Maybe I could call and see what it would take to convince them to build out. (There is definitely demand here.)

Alternatively AT&T (who is not our local telco) keeps spamming us to get a business fiber to the home connection. They make it clear they'll ban customers that appear to be using it for residential traffic, but I think that sort of traffic discrimination falls afoul of California's network neutrality laws. Has anyone tried calling their bluff on that?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Naracion »

404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

I have a feeling that infrastructural upgrades like these will be instrumental in taking spatial computing and entertainment to the cloud. Currently VR applications live in your headset / computer, but no reason why they have to. Of course, that's not its immediate use, rather a use case that might be triggered / enabled due to this move.
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