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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by adventured »

Retric wrote: post #158
adventured wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has around ~10-12 times the disposable median income of Thailand (2019 figures), and ~10 times the GDP per capita of Thailand (2022 IMF estimates). It's like a typical consumer in the US spending $500+ per month for broadband. Even worse if you consider the rural income factor. Absolutely insane. For a fraction of that you can get 1gbps from Comcast and you'll never utilize most of it in 99% of consumer situat…

That’s not a reasonable comparison for Thailand food prices as food isn’t disposable income. World bank says GDP per capita PPP was 18,232$ in 2020 down from 19,233$ in 2019. Of course that’s not evenly distributed, but rural vs urban incomes mean costs are higher in cities than median income suggests. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locat... Where your number comes into play is for people pric…

GDP PPP per capita is an extraordinarily low quality metric.

You end up with absurd examples where Botswana is comparable to China; Russia is comparable to Greece; Puerto Rico is comparable to Spain, ahead of Portugal, and just a bit lower than Japan; Kazakhstan is just a bit behind Latvia and Slovakia; Taiwan is far ahead of Finland, France, UK, New Zealand.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by hotpotamus »

hasty wrote: post #178
404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

On point #1, you can probably do 10Gbps (assuming it's actually Cat5e), as long as it's under 50m or so. If it's just a run inside your house, it's likely well within range.

Yep, you beat me to this comment. I ran cat 5e through my house in 2009 and didn't bother with cat 6 because no cable runs would be that long. I assumed there would be 10Gb consumer switches by now, but I haven't seen any yet.

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Post by agsamek »

We have 500mbps for 50 people in the office in Poland (EU) and it seems fine. Ping under Our servers are 1Gbps and the bandwidth is rarely the biggest bottleneck.

I have 200/20 in my own office and the biggest problem is that it works unreliably with Microsoft Teams and Google very often.

PS5 seems to have a 1Gbps interface.

I wonder if 25Gbit has any impact and what is the real stability of it in the Switzerland and the connection to major DCs and services. Entire Internet just doesn't feel stable enough to use that bandwidth but maybe this is a problem here in Poland.

Do you encounter problems with Teams or Meets in your countries?

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Post by Aeolun »

I saw this, and immediately went to check if my ISP does something similar.

Lo and behold, I can get a 10G line, and in a little while, probably 20G.

Then I realized that I don’t even come close to saturating the 2G I currently have. Cables are limited to 1Gbit, and the wifi doesn’t go higher than 500Mbit.

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Post by hedora »

kbenson wrote: post #207
jonnylynchy wrote: post #7

On behalf of all tech-minded Americans, I would like to say... I hate you. I just got a notice in the mail that my ISP is "upgrading" their network so now I can pay $200 USD/month to get a whopping 2gbps, which I actually thought was pretty amazing until I read your post. So, thanks. In all seriousness, congrats! You made a good case for why one would need that much bandwidth. Also, we need to catch up here. :)

There are other ISPs in the states that are much more competitive (I work at one). Unfortunately, if you're not in a fairly dense area, the chances they can deliver to you is minimal, since building your own network is expensive. For example, we offer $40 service, and if you're in our historical areas that's 1Gbit symmetrical, and if you're in newer areas we've turned up in the last year that's 10Gbit symmetrical. We…

I have a sometimes 12mbit connection, but there's a Fiber POP about 1 mile down the road. There are phone poles (with fiber on them) between here and there. What does it cost to string fiber on poles, and what are the hopes of getting right of way? Alternatively, is there some way to pay / force the telco to build out FTTH?

Some people a few miles away have a fiber POP at the end of their shared driveway, and are trying to decide if they should pay the extra couple hundred per house to go from 1GBit to 25GBit symmetric to the houses.

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Post by denysvitali »

pixl97 wrote: post #214
denysvitali wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, in that sense you'd have a "dedicated" 1Gbps for each device. But realistically, how often do you need that? I don't know about you, but the only time I would reach such a peak would be in case I download something huge while watching Netflix at 4k (which I don't have) and while at the same time downloading an update for my phone and a game for the PS5 (which I don't own). I would argue that the likelihood of al…

I mean in 1980 how often did you need 128kb ISDN? A hunter gatherer would have told you they have no use for a spaceship, yet modern society uses them do deploy satellites of all kinds. Just because you dont have a need doesnt mean that needs dont exist.

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that as of today, I personally think it's useless.

Sure, being 10Gbps-ready is already awesome, but it feels like buying a 16k TV today. For some niche use cases it might make sense, but until this technology is mainstream and makes sense it would take a while

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Post by FullyFunctional »

That was a delightful write up. My first _personal_ Internet connection was in France and was a dial-up 56kb/s modem connection (I could saturate it! :) Just before moving from Denmark to USA I had dirt cheap 1 Gb/s cable network so I was floored to find that not only not generally available in Silicon Valley, but also generally much more expensive and less reliable. In _Silicon_ Valley! (Yes, in SF there are more options today, but in the original Silicon Valley in the south bay, options are very poor and I refuse to ever again deal with Comcast).

My current provider (Sail Internet) provides a symmetric connection so I have experimented with cloud backup. The difference between my internal network (10G and some 100G) and the external (ADD: I'm so sick of hearing ("why do you need that" or "what's the point"). There are plenty of applications TODAY, but even if you don't have any, new ones will manifest themselves once the technology is available - it's the way technology works (who would have imagined that daily video conference would be a part of life?).

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Post by mdb31 »

oynqr wrote: post #112
mdb31 wrote: post #90

25Gb/s is just overkill for residential use. It's really cool that's it's available, but I fail to see a use case over my 500Mb/s home connection. Even for the servers that I manage and that are bandwidth-heavy, 10Gb/s is way overprovisioned for now. WiFi goes up to 1Gb/s, if you're lucky. Sure, some WiFi-6 APs have a 2.5Gb/s connector, but that's not what you want or need, unless you're a high-density enterprise. Wi…

In what world is 10GbE only available for servers?

Without drowning in fan noise? This world... Sure, I guess you can get a Mac Studio, or some other 'workstation' class PC, but your switch will still need to be within a few meters of that endpoint, and it's not going to be very green nor silent.

2.5Gb/s can easily be done with a lot of laptops and workstations these days; 10 Gb/s isn't quite there yet (and 25, 40 and 100Gb/s are definitely in the server-only fiber-or-DAC-only realm)

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Post by lazide »

photochemsyn wrote: post #141
lazide wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn’t a ‘tax the 1%’ issue, it’s a corruption and market capture issue in the US that we refuse to acknowledge. Throwing more money at it usually makes that kind of problem WORSE not better.

FDR's Rural Electricity Cooperatives did a lot to electrify much of the midwest and rural south, along with the creation of the TVA. I doubt anyone would want to rely on the current major providers, Comcast etc., who have such a bad track record, to accomplish this. Municipal broadband sounds like a better option: > "The Rural Electrification Act of 1936, enacted on May 20, 1936, provided federal loans for the instal…

Don’t forget the existing providers have already received massive funds to ‘improve rural broadband’ in the same vein as that act. Hundred of billions of dollars if I remember correctly.

It’s mostly been ineffective.

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