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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by rayiner »

ggpsv wrote: post #361
rayiner wrote: post #345

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Is it south of some reference point (here in Maryland it looks like I’m south of Turkey and around the same as Beijing). Is Australia excluded? Or is it just a euphemism for developing nation.

There is not as it does not refer to a geographical designation. I wouldn't say it is a euphemism, but closer to what people actually refer to when they misuse the term "third-world". The closest geographical designation was the Brandt line drawn in the 80s showing a north and south divide in terms of global wealth distribution [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_North_and_Global_South#...

Third world is inaccurate, but what’s wrong with “developing world.” Also: did I call it about China and Australia or did I call it?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by pilsetnieks »

ericd wrote: post #344
dale_glass wrote: post #236

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Mikrotik makes a whole bunch of 10G hardware. The 8 port ones are fanless and have a heatsink on the back, and the 16 port model has a fan that only gets switched on when needed. I have one sitting behind me and it's been off all day. It's also easy to open and replace the fan with something less noisy. Just remove a few screws, it's a standard size with a normal connector on it. There's also big external heatsink so…

I have the Mikrotik 8 port, but the spacing requirement kind of sucks. If you want RJ45, I'd go with this one: https://www.qnap.com/en-us/product/qsw-1208-8c

If you want RJ45, they also have a switch with 10G RJ45 ports built in: https://mikrotik.com/product/crs312_4c_8xg_rm

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by linsomniac »

404mm wrote: post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

My understanding is that cat-5e, for short runs (45m) you'd find in a house, can do 10gig. I'm still running 6a for all my new runs, but probably didn't need to.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by xiphias2 »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #377
chrisandchris wrote: post #328

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The last time i streamed 4K video while gaming on my PS4 during a work related video calls was just a couple days ago. Joke aside. I get your point, but how many people do you have to have on a single 1 Gbit line to saturdate it? Some things will get faster for sure (like downloading large files, if the other side is fast enough), but I feel like most of the time it's driving a Ferrari within a city.

> it's driving a Ferrari within a city. Given that this article is about Zurich... that's a very apt analogy.

I have taken over quite a lot of Ferraris in Zurich by a bicycle on the bicycle road when I was living there, it was always fun :)

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Post by moistly »

hnlmorg wrote: post #216
baybal2 wrote: post #150

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> Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Being from a soon north korea 2.0 to be (russia,) I can say it was my surprise to see Internet being so bad across the developed countries when I was travelling in the previous decade. Canada - ridiculously expensive traffic, Germany - no comments, UK - sometimes good, sometimes 128kbps DSL, USA - 20mbps…

A lot of it is down to those countries being early adopters of telecom infrastructure. It meant when a lot of other countries were wiring up internet for the first time, they weren’t faced with the prospect of having to piggyback existing and aged infrastructure. eg in some cases they could leapfrog copper almost entirely and jump straight to fibre.

In Canada it is down to our telecom oligopoly, which our government protects by (a) refusing foreign competition and (b) installing industry heads to run the consumer protection regulator, i.e. allowing the oligopoly to capture the regulatory body.

In actual fact, our telcos were heavily subsidized during their formative years, granting them a monopoly, rights of way, and helping to pay for their infrastructure. In return for a guaranteed profit margin, we had extreme control over their pricing structure and guarantees of service quality and coverage.

Then we allowed them to be privatized and deregulated, in exchange for which we get fucked. Which is, as far as I’ve ever been able to tell, the inevitable outcome of converting public services to private.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Thaxll »

iso1210 wrote: post #148
Thaxll wrote: post #56

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Well you need to do some calculation first how much a single TCP stream can provide.

It's not 1998 any more, you've got multiple TCP streams, things like QUIC and other UDP based protocols, and of course good old fashioned window scaling which will go upto an 8gbit window, so as long as you've got an rtt under 300ms you'll be fine at 25gbit.

I thought window was pretty limited on modern OS?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by theideaofcoffee »

CraigJPerry wrote: post #51
explaingarlic wrote: post #27

I'm really unsure as to whether it's worth investing whatsoever in consumer grade fiber connections. My speeds are advertised as 1Gbits down and 100Mbits up. On speed tests, I get much higher downloads (~1.5Gbits per second). This might be because it's not capped properly, and I live in a place that they're still building houses in (I imagine that our "box" is not yet saturated). However, I rarely max that speed out…

I think you can now put 800 gigabit per second today, via commercially available kit, down a single strand of fibre installed back in the early 1980s. Copper or radio connections just don’t seem like as worthwhile an investment to me. I’m not saying it makes sense to have an 800gbit connection to a residential property but from a longevity, cost per mile, use of less rare materials, reduced rf interference or whateve…

The current commercial state-of-the-art is quite a bit higher, 25.6Tbps or thereabouts using a full 40 channel/color DWDM and 400g modules. But yes, copper or RF is IMO a non-starter for any new deployments.

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Post by ericd »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #382
ericd wrote: post #344

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I have the Mikrotik 8 port, but the spacing requirement kind of sucks. If you want RJ45, I'd go with this one: https://www.qnap.com/en-us/product/qsw-1208-8c

If you want RJ45, they also have a switch with 10G RJ45 ports built in: https://mikrotik.com/product/crs312_4c_8xg_rm

Oh awesome, and pretty well priced! Know what the noise level is like? The QNAP is designed to be in a home office rather than a server closet, so it’s inaudible. But my mikrotiks are passively cooled, so even better.

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Post by bpye »

geoka9 wrote: post #130
Existenceblinks wrote: post #36

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I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

I'm in a top 10 most expensive city in the world (Canada) and the best I can get for $50 is 80 Mbps (and even that is only available as a promotion that you can't get by simply going to the ISP's website and buying a plan).

I'm in Vancouver, BC and paying 80$/mo for 1Gbps symmetric. I could get 2.5Gbps but it would be about twice the cost - and I would have to get something that can do 2.5G link speed on an SFP+, not many devices can.
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