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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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When we got fiber, our internet didn’t speed up. We just saw a monthly rate increase. The providers here throttle it so significantly that there isn’t any benefit, not even for upload. The plans that cost an extra $150 per month have far higher limits but that’s insane

Which country if it not indiscreet ? I know internet access quality vary a lot between countries and I'm curious.

Canada us always a safe bet for extraordinarily bad internet speed, connection reliability and price. In my experience, our ISPs would make Comcast look like saints. (I'm looking at you, Bell)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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I'm thrilled with my gigabit fiber from Sonic. I wonder how many of their customers even get the full gigabit though; if they are connecting with WiFi they almost certainly aren't. And even ethernet is still not reliably gigabit in homes with older wiring. But this 25gbit is in another category. I'm impressed the Ookla speedtest server can deliver 25Gbit. The 25gbit network card he mentions costs $400-$500, that's ch…

Yeah, I’m a new Sonic customer and got their 10gbit service. $40/mo beats any of the other three providers pricing for much lower bandwidth. However, I only have a gigabit router, so most of that isn’t utilized, assuming that’s true for all my neighbors as well (Sonic’s only offering here is 10gbit)

Just think of it as future proofing, like installing higher rated cabling in a house than you'll use initially. The cost isn't any more for you to have 10Gbit in this case, so for you it's just knowing that you could buy more equipment for your end at any time to use it if you needed, and not have to wait for a service change. :)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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My ethernet is also capped at 1 Gb/s for most of my computers. The 10 Gb/s connection is still useful as it makes sure that things running at different devices won't affect each other. Streaming won't affect games won't affect work-related video calls. It's great.

Yes, in that sense you'd have a "dedicated" 1Gbps for each device. But realistically, how often do you need that? I don't know about you, but the only time I would reach such a peak would be in case I download something huge while watching Netflix at 4k (which I don't have) and while at the same time downloading an update for my phone and a game for the PS5 (which I don't own). I would argue that the likelihood of al…

I mean in 1980 how often did you need 128kb ISDN? A hunter gatherer would have told you they have no use for a spaceship, yet modern society uses them do deploy satellites of all kinds. Just because you dont have a need doesnt mean that needs dont exist.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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At 25 Gbit/s your computer may likely not be able to keep up, unless you have NVME based SSD. We are talking about 3GB/s+ which my 24-drive NAS (old) can’t get beyond 2.6 GB/s with ZFS. Absolute madness. But this kind of bandwidth isn’t meant for a single machine.

In the end it's just an arms race with basically no use cases. You could call it future proofing but the switches will have to be replaced before such speeds could realistically be used (8k/16k video or sth like that?) Having fiber without pon is great, means no new infrastructure for decades. But anything above 10gbits will be too much to use realistically, even for smaller companies.

Well, the use case is multiple people doing things at the same location that add up to more than 1Gbit. For example, think of the connection on a switch with mostly 1Gbit ports but one or two 10Gbit or 25Gbit ports for the uplink. Switches such as this will also have a backplane capable of doing more than 1Gbit.

Individually no one person/port can use more than a gigabit and can't saturate the switch in this case, but combined they could utilize far more.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Even a low speed connection in a rural zone can achieve wonderful things. But I really wonder what was your prototype that needed that speed connection and that wouldn't work with something slower. Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?

> Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Being from a soon north korea 2.0 to be (russia,) I can say it was my surprise to see Internet being so bad across the developed countries when I was travelling in the previous decade. Canada - ridiculously expensive traffic, Germany - no comments, UK - sometimes good, sometimes 128kbps DSL, USA - 20mbps…

A lot of it is down to those countries being early adopters of telecom infrastructure. It meant when a lot of other countries were wiring up internet for the first time, they weren’t faced with the prospect of having to piggyback existing and aged infrastructure. eg in some cases they could leapfrog copper almost entirely and jump straight to fibre.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Wow... I remember frothing over the 128k ISDN at my office in the 90s.

For perspective, an 8k video stream requires ~40-50Mbps[1]. Theoretically, 25Gbps is sufficient to stream ~500 * 8k streams concurrently.

[1] https://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/Editorial/Short-Cuts...

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Even a low speed connection in a rural zone can achieve wonderful things. But I really wonder what was your prototype that needed that speed connection and that wouldn't work with something slower. Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?

> Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Being from a soon north korea 2.0 to be (russia,) I can say it was my surprise to see Internet being so bad across the developed countries when I was travelling in the previous decade. Canada - ridiculously expensive traffic, Germany - no comments, UK - sometimes good, sometimes 128kbps DSL, USA - 20mbps…

Same as banking. Inventors and early adopters get stuck with "works well enough" old systems and all their deficiencies and limitations. Late newcomers roll out newest and greatest solutions.
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