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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by photochemsyn »

downrightmike wrote: post #47
Existenceblinks wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

USA requires more raw materials to provide services. United States is about 19 times bigger than Thailand. Thailand is approximately 513,120 sq km, while United States is approximately 9,833,517 sq km, making United States 1,816% larger than Thailand. And then there is the duopoly of ISPs where they carve out huge chunks and agree not to compete.

Let's consider Gross National Product of each county adjusted for population size:

gnpUSD = {'USA': 21,650,000,000,000, 'THA': 491,910,000,000} #4th quarter 2021

pop = {'USA': 329,000,000, 'THA': 70,000,000} #as of 2021

gnp['USA'] // pop['USA'] 65805

gnp['THA'] // pop['THA'] 7027

Seems more like a distribution of resources issue... so why not jack up taxes on the wealthiest 1% and use it to pay for things like high-speed fiber in all the rural areas? Doubtless this would lead to economic growth?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by dale_glass »

raverbashing wrote: post #13

It's crazy that at this speeds (and I mean, it's not a new thing) your internal infrastructure can be the bottleneck You have 100Mbit internet? Cool, your 54Mbit only WLAN devices are now the bottleneck. But now it's your 10GB ethernet that's the limit.

You easily run into problems even before that.

I just upgraded to 10GB networking in my house and the old desktop I have hanging around mostly for guest use tops out at around 6 Gbps. The CPU just can't handle more than that. Granted, it's a 10 year old, cheap CPU with integrated video, so it was never much good. But still, it works just fine for web browsing.

And of course hard disks get 200MB/s on the very rare occasion, and often a good amount less than that. Even SSDs are limited by SATA's maximum of 6 Gbps, so make a plan for upgrading everything to NVMEs.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Existenceblinks »

barbacoa wrote: post #75
Existenceblinks wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a rural city in Thailand, fiber 2Gbps is $50 / mo. And this is just for normie. Like unimpressive.

How affordable is $50 in rural Thailand compared to the USA?

$50 is about 1 week of 3 meals consumption per day (lower middle class)

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by LinuxBender »

25gb/s is nice. I am envious of locations that have a modern local fiber network and more options.

My 2 fiber connections are 500mb/s and each cost $350 to activate, $150/mo each not counting the costs for static IP's. Trenching it in was $3k. I'm more than happy with 500mb but the price could be lower. For my specific use cases it is less about bandwidth and more about latency/peering arrangements. I would personally be happy splitting as low as 100mb/s across many devices with fq_codel or cake and cdg on my little firewalls. I can't really complain though. The alternatives here are 4G LTE or Starlink.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by dx034 »

shasts wrote: post #74

I fondly remember the days in 2010 in Zurich, and cablecom had good functional internet, don't remember the speed. Then I moved to Germany in 2013, and it surprised me that I can't have internet in my apartment for the next two months, because the technician appointment and when I finally received, I got a meagre DSL connection with bad ping and 32 Mbits. It has gotten better over the years, but even the best availab…

1000/200mbit sounds more than enough to me, even for a family. I could have 1gbps but decided to stay with 250mbit because I just don't see how it would benefit me. Cloud vms are so cheap and tend to have lower ping to other services, so I go there if I really need faster speed.

I do agree about the general state of German internet connectivity though. However, seems to be catching up quickly, especially in rural areas.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by agilob »

What is the use case for this? How are you doing to utilise it? According to fast.com I have 29Mbps and I see no reason why I would need to go faster now. And to be said, I'm WFH all the time, I have a homelab and we stream movies, not once since pandemic started I had a thought I might need faster broadband. My home router has SFP port.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by xmaayy »

101008 wrote: post #80

Stupid question, but if your hard drive cannot write 25Gbit/s , how is it handled? I don't knwo anything about SSD so maybe 25Gbit/s is easily achievable, just talking from my experience of copying from a USB Drive to my local disk.

You'd need raid SSD's or a sizeable RAM disk to make sustained use of it. Very few SSD's support full 25GB/s

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Youden »

cm2187 wrote: post #5

Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost. I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.

I have the same internet provider and package. While 25Gbps is indeed basically unattainable to anything other than Init7's speedtest server, it's easy to exceed 1Gbps.

Software and driver updates exceed 1Gbps all the time, as do game updates/downloads through Steam.

Piracy also works really well. Downloading copyrighted media is perfectly legal in Switzerland and I was able to get ~7Gbps real-world speeds from Usenet without too much hassle.

It's also really handy for things like backups. As of writing, bandwidth to a Hetzner cloud server is ~5Gbps up/down with iPerf3.

I do agree that 25Gbps is more overkill/bragging rights than it is real utility but I think 10Gbps is an easy sell.

Keep in mind that there is no change at all to the monthly price of your internet by choosing these higher speeds. 10Gbps has the same monthly and setup costs as 1Gbps, you only have to pay a bit extra for hardware capable of dealing with 10Gbps, which is pretty affordable.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by louwrentius »

At 25 Gbit/s your computer may likely not be able to keep up, unless you have NVME based SSD. We are talking about 3GB/s+ which my 24-drive NAS (old) can’t get beyond 2.6 GB/s with ZFS.

Absolute madness. But this kind of bandwidth isn’t meant for a single machine.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by mdb31 »

25Gb/s is just overkill for residential use. It's really cool that's it's available, but I fail to see a use case over my 500Mb/s home connection. Even for the servers that I manage and that are bandwidth-heavy, 10Gb/s is way overprovisioned for now.

WiFi goes up to 1Gb/s, if you're lucky. Sure, some WiFi-6 APs have a 2.5Gb/s connector, but that's not what you want or need, unless you're a high-density enterprise. WiFi-6E will possibly improve that a bit, but it will take WiFi-8 to get anywhere close to saturation.

Wired, you can do 10Gb/s for server systems, which are, amongst other things very loud and not very suitable for placement anywhere near humans. 2.5Gb/s support is spotty, and 1Gb/s still the only thing that works reliably.

So, exactly which residential application requires 25Gb/s is not very clear. Yes, it's cool, but not very useful, and faulting manufacturers (especially in times of crippling supply-chain limitations) for not fully supporting it is questionable.

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