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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by pph »

kayoone wrote: post #201
larusso wrote: post #186

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As a German I weep and cry. 25Gbit/s seems so so far off. And I live in a major city. I only get 150Mbit VDSL at the moment. I have no cable connection so one of these to get the theoretical 1Gbit/s download is out of the question.

Gigabit internet is quite widely available through different cable providers in Germany nowadays. Also the country side seems to be moving up, the very rural place where I grew up (and where my mom still lives) had a max of 2Mbps DSL for the last 20(!) years and now the whole area is being upgraded to fibre and will enjoy 10/1Gbps by the end of the year!

The drawback is that cable it is a shared medium, so it can be quite bad when demand is high (in the evening) and the upload bandwidth usually is very low.

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Post by thfuran »

404mm wrote: post #242
kbenson wrote: post #193

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> Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do is to route 1Gbit. Having your uplink faster than all your individual ports in a network helps prevent any one port from being able to saturate your network. I work at an ISP that within the last year started selling 10Gbit symmetric, and we all sorta know there's not a huge use for it - yet. It's not really an issue for use to justify though, we don't char…

That’s nice!! $40/mo? That does not sound like US price.

I can get 6 Mbps for $40 here. Good stuff.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by dougmwne »

404mm wrote: post #242
kbenson wrote: post #193

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> Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do is to route 1Gbit. Having your uplink faster than all your individual ports in a network helps prevent any one port from being able to saturate your network. I work at an ISP that within the last year started selling 10Gbit symmetric, and we all sorta know there's not a huge use for it - yet. It's not really an issue for use to justify though, we don't char…

That’s nice!! $40/mo? That does not sound like US price.

There's a 10 Gbit cable going in on my street for $60/month in Florida. Some interesting things happening in internet infrastructure these days.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by kingcharles »

adventured wrote: post #121
barbacoa wrote: post #75

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How affordable is $50 in rural Thailand compared to the USA?

The US has around ~10-12 times the disposable median income of Thailand (2019 figures), and ~10 times the GDP per capita of Thailand (2022 IMF estimates). It's like a typical consumer in the US spending $500+ per month for broadband. Even worse if you consider the rural income factor. Absolutely insane. For a fraction of that you can get 1gbps from Comcast and you'll never utilize most of it in 99% of consumer situat…

In my home in downtown Chicago I have two wired options. 1.5Mbps for $60/month from AT&T, or $71,000 install plus $800 a month for 2Gbps from Comcast.

I went with 5G from T-Mobile for $50 a month.

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Post by miahi »

dale_glass wrote: post #236
mdb31 wrote: post #229

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Without drowning in fan noise? This world... Sure, I guess you can get a Mac Studio, or some other 'workstation' class PC, but your switch will still need to be within a few meters of that endpoint, and it's not going to be very green nor silent. 2.5Gb/s can easily be done with a lot of laptops and workstations these days; 10 Gb/s isn't quite there yet (and 25, 40 and 100Gb/s are definitely in the server-only fiber-o…

Mikrotik makes a whole bunch of 10G hardware. The 8 port ones are fanless and have a heatsink on the back, and the 16 port model has a fan that only gets switched on when needed. I have one sitting behind me and it's been off all day. It's also easy to open and replace the fan with something less noisy. Just remove a few screws, it's a standard size with a normal connector on it. There's also big external heatsink so…

I had issues with 10G copper SFP+ modules even when there was only one installed in the switch (Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN), the other modules installed being DAC/fiber. I got random disconnects I could not attribute until I checked the switch logs - the module was shutting down because it was reaching >90C when the ambient temp was 26C. I had to add a fan.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Post by Salgat »

cm2187 wrote: post #5

Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost. I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.

Agreed. A 25gbps download will fill an 8TB HDD in 47 minutes, so how much are you going to actually utilize that full bandwidth? Not that any webhost will ever give you even remotely that much bandwidth. I'm on 1gbps fiber and I've never saturated my connected. That would require 40 simultaneous 4K streams going at the same time in my house.

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Post by geoduck14 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #216
baybal2 wrote: post #150

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> Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Being from a soon north korea 2.0 to be (russia,) I can say it was my surprise to see Internet being so bad across the developed countries when I was travelling in the previous decade. Canada - ridiculously expensive traffic, Germany - no comments, UK - sometimes good, sometimes 128kbps DSL, USA - 20mbps…

A lot of it is down to those countries being early adopters of telecom infrastructure. It meant when a lot of other countries were wiring up internet for the first time, they weren’t faced with the prospect of having to piggyback existing and aged infrastructure. eg in some cases they could leapfrog copper almost entirely and jump straight to fibre.

>in some cases they could leapfrog copper almost entirely and jump straight to fibre.

I visited Nepal several years back. They were going straight to wireless. All of the villages in the mountains had a solar panel on their roof that they used to charge their cellphones and there was a cell tower on the ridges.

It was surreal to see villagers use Facebook but have no road access to the main city.

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Post by aidenn0 »

pph wrote: post #261
kayoone wrote: post #201

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Gigabit internet is quite widely available through different cable providers in Germany nowadays. Also the country side seems to be moving up, the very rural place where I grew up (and where my mom still lives) had a max of 2Mbps DSL for the last 20(!) years and now the whole area is being upgraded to fibre and will enjoy 10/1Gbps by the end of the year!

The drawback is that cable it is a shared medium, so it can be quite bad when demand is high (in the evening) and the upload bandwidth usually is very low.

Interesting. In populous areas of the US they use HFC so the cable to your house only services a few buildings, with the neighborhood having a fiber optic back-haul that is shared, but much faster

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Post by antihero »

zhdc1 wrote: post #144
101008 wrote: post #71

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Being from a third world country, I completely agree with you on how technological investment can change lives. Even a low speed connection in a rural zone can achieve wonderful things. But I really wonder what was your prototype that needed that speed connection and that wouldn't work with something slower. Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work?

> Can you share, at least vaguely, what was your work? We work with gis/satellite data. Nothing groundbreaking technically, but we aggregate it into products that are useful for social science researchers who aren’t comfortable with or don’t have the computing resources to use this data by themselves.

What exactly about gis/satellite data required such an insane uplink?
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