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Post by simne »

MrYellowP wrote: post #207
simne wrote: post #188

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I must say, I partially agree with you. Just except one thing - I lived in USSR and I know too much about soviet (communists) outlook, and about non-fair play. So what important - unfortunately, China is not fair player. - All soviet/communists spent significant resources for espionage, etc. - Espionage is totally different from fair playing gathering information from open sources. For people with really good knowled…

> All soviet/communists spent significant resources for espionage, etc. Do you seriously believe that western countries don't? Seriously? None of them play fair. Not one. It makes no sense to do so! Stop eating the propaganda.

I partially agree, sure all countries use some sort of espionage and non-fair game, but difference in share of these activities from all.

- For soviet/communists, espionage and non-fair game are primary activities, because they absolutely avoid very normal for human exchange relations, more known as trade, which are primary for democracy countries.

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Post by c_o_n_v_e_x »

ferminaut wrote: post #47
throwaway4good wrote: post #27

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Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

there is no price, there is no power usage, the rated fp32 is roughly on par with a video card that is 6 years old now. unless it's crazy efficient (at 12nm I doubt it), I wouldnt say it's competing with the giants.

I thought cards supporting AV1 are new-ish?

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Post by chillacy »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #154
chillacy wrote: post #148

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For numbers, Metaculus collectively puts China annexing Taiwan by 2050 at around 50%: https://www.metaculus.com/questions/5320/chinese-annexation-... 30 years is a long time for forecasting though, afaik forecasting accuracy in tournaments drops as a function of time.

>For numbers, Metaculus collectively puts China annexing Taiwan by 2050 at around 50% I really don't see how that's any more accurate than tea leaves or bones... One could just as easily argue it's 84%, because a crackhead gave him that number in response to a cheeseburger.

This is the track record for Metaculus (the chart at the end) showing historically a 10% swing in predictions of 50% historically by aggregated forecasters on the site: https://www.metaculus.com/questions/track-record/

Granted this tells us nothing about the accuracy of any one particular question, but on aggregate Metaculus is pretty well calibrated.

That said, there is a longstanding academic debate between "forecasting can tell us useful things" (Telock) and "black swans will ruin your life" (Taleb).

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Post by AussieWog93 »

chillacy wrote: post #213
AussieWog93 wrote: post #154

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>For numbers, Metaculus collectively puts China annexing Taiwan by 2050 at around 50% I really don't see how that's any more accurate than tea leaves or bones... One could just as easily argue it's 84%, because a crackhead gave him that number in response to a cheeseburger.

This is the track record for Metaculus (the chart at the end) showing historically a 10% swing in predictions of 50% historically by aggregated forecasters on the site: https://www.metaculus.com/questions/track-record/ Granted this tells us nothing about the accuracy of any one particular question, but on aggregate Metaculus is pretty well calibrated. That said, there is a longstanding academic debate between "foreca…

>Granted this tells us nothing about the accuracy of any one particular question

I think this is where my skepticism comes from.

Just because one can make certain predictions with reasonable accuracy (e.g. Scott Morrison will lose the upcoming Australian election, Joe Biden will die in office, Elon Musk will be the richest man in the world by 2030), it says nothing about their ability to predict other questions with far less information (such as if and when the CCP will invade Taiwan).

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Post by marcan_42 »

ksec wrote: post #180
marcan_42 wrote: post #138

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Apple GPUs have little to no IMG technology left. You can tell there is some remaining influence in the design, but Apple's is much better and cleaner and what IMG's GPUs should have been .

>Apple GPUs have little to no IMG technology left They still uses PVRTC and are still licensing and paying IMG royalty. Surely if there were little to no IMG tech left Apple could have simply stopped paying them and dont renew the contract. They are not paying substantially less royalty than they were previously either.

What the lawyers do and how the technology actually works are not necessarily related.

The shaders are completely different, the controller is completely different, the command submission structures are different. Sure, it's still a tiled architecture and they probably have to keep PVRTC for compatibility and pay the royalty for that, and you can see some remaining PVR influence in the design. But it's not PVR, and quite possibly has zero actual PVR technology left (as in silicon IP from IMG). They're probably only paying patent royalties.

We know this because we're reverse engineering AGX and IMG just dumped an upstream submission to Mesa and now anyone can compare them. PVR's architecture is, for starters, a lot more insane than Apple's.

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Post by userbinator »

MrYellowP wrote: post #204
userbinator wrote: post #83

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That company's GPU was used in a few of Intel's early Atom SoCs, and infamously lacked documentation and source code, unlike other Intel GPUs of the time. It was also dismal in performance and efficiency, lacking a blitter and other acceleration for 2D unlike nearly all PC GPUs since the original 8514. Ironically the source and docs were leaked many years ago, causing a lot of commotion in the OSS community; and more…

> lacking a blitter That's fucking hilarious! :D How can they make such a design decision and think it's okay? "Blitter? Nah. Nobody needs that anyway!" ??

It was a design intended for 3D acceleration, and they probably thought the additional hardware blitter wasn't necessary in a space and power-constrained mobile application where these cores mostly ended up.

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Post by emodendroket »

simne wrote: post #184
emodendroket wrote: post #141

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I really do not think a Taiwan invasion is imminent, at least short of a huge provocation.

Ha! I live in Kiev, Ukraine, and just 46 days ago I thought absolutely same about possible Russian invasion to Ukraine. Now I few days per week spend on finding products to eat, because we have real war and we have some problems with supply (I will not ask you to talk here about military needs, but they are also exists and they are very significant). Now I thank to Gods, for my friends decisions, who where not agree…

Well, telling the future is always a hard business, but that situation has not really changed my thinking on Taiwan. The situations are too different. The US is not just going to sit back and watch one of their key waystations in Asia get bled out the way they have with Ukraine.

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Post by emodendroket »

chillacy wrote: post #148
emodendroket wrote: post #141

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I really do not think a Taiwan invasion is imminent, at least short of a huge provocation.

For numbers, Metaculus collectively puts China annexing Taiwan by 2050 at around 50%: https://www.metaculus.com/questions/5320/chinese-annexation-... 30 years is a long time for forecasting though, afaik forecasting accuracy in tournaments drops as a function of time.

It's a long time for forecasting and even if it's right it's far from "imminent."

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Post by JohnHaugeland »

nottorp wrote: post #190
JohnHaugeland wrote: post #107

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well, if you want to say "competes with 2017 nvidia," that i could agree with but i basically guarantee that they keep falling further and further behind.

2022 basically doesn't exist unless you're willing to overpay to have the latest and greatest :)

You can get NVidia cards at retail prices right now

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Post by simne »

emodendroket wrote: post #217
simne wrote: post #184

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Ha! I live in Kiev, Ukraine, and just 46 days ago I thought absolutely same about possible Russian invasion to Ukraine. Now I few days per week spend on finding products to eat, because we have real war and we have some problems with supply (I will not ask you to talk here about military needs, but they are also exists and they are very significant). Now I thank to Gods, for my friends decisions, who where not agree…

Well, telling the future is always a hard business, but that situation has not really changed my thinking on Taiwan. The situations are too different. The US is not just going to sit back and watch one of their key waystations in Asia get bled out the way they have with Ukraine.

I believe, we will both agree, that best for all world, if Ukraine will survive invasion, and Taiwan will also survive. Or if China will decide to not invade at all, considering what US sanctions are doing to Russia.

- For me one possible explanation of all these crazy things, that Russian officials in reality are puppets of Chinese, and this way China tests, what will happen if... And now Chinese have received dataset, an will decide, are possible consequences acceptable for them.

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