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Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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>you use what they give you, how they give it to you, using their workflows, barely customizing anything. Apple products are supposed to be revered the world over as the pinnacle of design, used by artists, engineers, professionals, and creators. Why do I feel like there are training wheels on a machine I use for productivity? Gosh, this is exactly how I felt in a similar situation. Really hit the nail on the head. I…

“You can get great hardware and battery life with system76 for instance.” The build quality of these two platforms is nowhere, and I mean nowhere close. Apples (heh) and oranges. I’m rooting for system76, but they have a long way to go.

I have not used any System76 laptop, but how is its build quality to a Thinkpad?

Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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Nice article. Coincidentally we have the same computers, even the same specs. I’ve been on macOS for 11 years now, so I’m biased. On window snapping: why on earth would you want to obscure your desktop with two huge panes? I usually have ‘small’ applications on my desktop ‘workspace’ (terminal, reminders, messages, finder). I always see ex-windows users cluttering their desktop workspace and not utilising more worksp…

> Whenever I’m on windows I feel hampered by the lack of virtual workspaces.

Windows has virtual desktops. Press Win+Tab. I find having many windows on the same desktop is much more useful than lots of desktops in practice, and it's what I do in Windows and Linux. I use virtual desktops to separate tasks, each of which usually involves many windows, some maximised or snapped to a side.

Obscuring the desktop itself is basically what it's for IMHO. I never ever see my desktop background, as there's no point - it has no purpose or use to me.

Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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Someone needs to tell him about option-click on the maximize button. Most of these "rants" really just amount to: "this different OS doesn't work exactly the same way as the OS I am used to." That's why 3rd party utilities exist to give you the functionality you wish to have. That formula cuts both ways.

“France is really dumb because I can’t understand what they are saying. Look, even England does it the way I know!”

Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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Not that it's right or wrong, but the behavior dates back to the very first implementations of Mac OS and Windows. Mac OS has always been an application switching interface, and Windows has been a window switching interface. Takes getting used to the paradigm shift.

I can't get used to the fact that I can't alt-tab to a minimized window. Nor can I figure out how to switch to any particular minimized window. You have literally no way of knowing that a minimized window exists other than right-clicking the dock icon, or going to the "Window" menu after you switched to the application. The dock was fine 20 years ago when they released OSX, but they've literally done nothing to make…

Instead of minimizing windows, put them on a separate virtual desktop. Or close them.

I never minimize windows on purpose. I think the only reason the concept exists is because it predates virtual desktop switching.

Also, instead of Alt-Tab, flick four fingers up or down and select the window of interest.

Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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system76? sounds cool can it run excel and apple music?

I guess? System76 makes laptops. They come with their own Linux distribution called PopOS.

System76 doesn’t make laptops they just resell the same Clevos a hundred other places do:

https://clevo-computer.com/en/laptops-configurator/purpose/b...

Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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> It may be useful for users of large external monitors, allowing to make better use of the screen real estate OP here. This is exactly why I want snapping (I'm using a 27" 1440p monitor)

There are Mac applications you can download to get this behaviour. Magnet does it and is cheap, and Raycast (spotlight alternative) does it and is free.

From the article:

> this is a work machine and I need to get everything I install blessed by IT security. Easy for large applications like Slack or Chrome, but harder for the small tools that only fix my niche issues (I’ve already found Rectangle, BetterSnapTool, and Magnet).

Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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Nice article. Coincidentally we have the same computers, even the same specs. I’ve been on macOS for 11 years now, so I’m biased. On window snapping: why on earth would you want to obscure your desktop with two huge panes? I usually have ‘small’ applications on my desktop ‘workspace’ (terminal, reminders, messages, finder). I always see ex-windows users cluttering their desktop workspace and not utilising more worksp…

Snapping can be a nice option, but I don't want it to be how things work all the time. As you note, it's great to have control over your windows, desktop, etc. — windows moving into place on their own is disturbing (and annoying) after using Macs since the mid-80s.

macOS is not Windows, and trying to shoehorn that way of doing things into it is senseless. The Alt-Tab section of the article is a good example of this — can they begin to grok that the presence of cmd-~ is a (potentially) useful thing for workflows, and makes sure that you're not stuck with one, basic command (Alt-Tab) that has other stuff glommed onto it? There's plenty to be annoyed at when it comes to the Mac interface, but these are weird hills to fight over.

Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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I have never spent much time on Windows machines but I _love_ cmd-` on the Mac. I mean, I have a whole rant about how its ordering behavior changed on Lion for the worse but I love having windows grouped by application and picking the app I care about before picking the window I care about. I have never understood why so many people use a single chrome window for all of their tabs but I think it comes from not being…

The list of things Lion didn't make worse is pretty short.

Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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Nice article. Coincidentally we have the same computers, even the same specs. I’ve been on macOS for 11 years now, so I’m biased. On window snapping: why on earth would you want to obscure your desktop with two huge panes? I usually have ‘small’ applications on my desktop ‘workspace’ (terminal, reminders, messages, finder). I always see ex-windows users cluttering their desktop workspace and not utilising more worksp…

This is a good comment, especially the point about leaning into the idiosyncrasies of Mac, but I wanted to share my experience that follows OPs post, then your advice, and then I ended up back on i3.

I grew up a Windows kid, switched to Linux and then i3 (tiling), and use Windows 10 at work in a huge enterprise environment.

With a wide open mind (from my recent switch to running Linux and i3 full time on my personal machine) and a deep appreciation for the hardware of this gen of Macs, I got the new M1 Macbook Air last year. At first I really struggled, but committed to learning the trackpad gestures because seeing some of my friends wizz around the desktop in such a way that reminded me of i3, and things improved. Along the way, I reminded myself that I had to accept the mindset/ethos of the window manager, rather than think constantly of what's missing, if I was to ever an effective power user (re: your good point about using more workspaces instead of managing multiple Windows in a single space).

I still switched back, I missed tiling too much. And without me noticing, Windows 10 now has incredibly underrated multiple display, virtual desktop and tiling built into the system with their Meta+Tab, Meta+Num, and Meta+Arrow key tiling. Dynamic snapping and window borders is a huge part of this, in my opinion.

And this is Windows, not even my preferred system but the one that I switched away from and only use because my work requires. I'll spare you my evangelism of i3 (I enjoy config editing as a hobby and procrastination technique), but i3wm+xfce desktop bar is essentially the closest thing to my ideal system.

Doing it the Mac way never felt AS efficient, nor did it ever seen to align with how I wanted to do things, as much as I tried to change my mindset. This surprised me, and there is still elegance in the multiple workspaces and trackpad gestures that I can understand preferring as a full time system, but it was decidedly not for me. I do admit that tiling features are the primary shared features between these two systems, that might be primary bias. And that M1hardware is nuts.

I'm sharing this partially as a swansong for my personal experience with Mac and OSX, and also to share that I'm a human (user) with an interest and non-dogmatic enthusiasm for this domain (it's analogous to the sense perception layer in the mind, imo!) and as someone who is willing to invest time learning the techniques and mindset of a new system. For me, while MacOS is internally consistent and capable, I preferred Windows and especially i3.

Re: Impressions from a first-time Mac user

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I never got used to it after a year. I wasn't even a "new" Mac user as I'd previously used Jaguar/Panther/Tiger/Leopard as well as Classic and even NeXTStep. But while those were better than XP time has marched on and I don't feel like MacOS improved enough compared to the competition (with regards to window management). If anything should have been Sherlocked it should have been rectangle/magnet etc. I also feel lik…

what do you mean by "mouse scroll toggle"?

Maybe "natural" scroll direction vs the old scroll-bar orientation.
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