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Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by GekkePrutser »

oneoff786 wrote: post #111
tyng wrote: post #85

I'm in the lockdown in Shanghai, feel free to ask me any questions. Things you read on the internet is mostly true (but may be exaggerated): Life: Yes we can only buy food through WeChat groups to organise wholesale deliveries (2000 eggs, 200 cabbages minimum order) on hiked prices, but it's easier than you might think; No one has died from starvation (yet), but there had been a few cases of death due to not getting…

What about poor people or people not on WeChat? I’m inclined to guess that your remote job isn’t representative of many people in the city. The videos of people moaning and screaming from their balconies at night seem… shocking?

I don't think anyone in China is not on WeChat. Life seems to be pretty impossible without it even without covid. Unlike the name implies it's not just a chat app. It's an everything app. A bit like Google's level of ubuquity but even more. Payments, ridesharing, shopping.. I heard you can even do your government business on it.

Anyway this is just what I've read of course. Never visited China and I'm never going to.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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tyng wrote: post #85

I'm in the lockdown in Shanghai, feel free to ask me any questions. Things you read on the internet is mostly true (but may be exaggerated): Life: Yes we can only buy food through WeChat groups to organise wholesale deliveries (2000 eggs, 200 cabbages minimum order) on hiked prices, but it's easier than you might think; No one has died from starvation (yet), but there had been a few cases of death due to not getting…

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Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by senectus1 »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #80

If you're wondering. Yes, it's the same variant. Yes, they have a working vaccine ( just not a RMNA one), but with a ( bit) lower efficiency and the older population is less vaccinated. China is currently in the weak position of not being able to contain a super contagious COVID virus, as they have propaganda'd their policy as superior to the western one for the last years. Not implementing zero COVID policy would me…

>Yes, they have a working vaccine Sinovax?

Not sure I'd class that as a working vaccine.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by GekkePrutser »

tyng wrote: post #124
tyng wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a permanent lockdown... just for a few weeks (so far)

Perhaps after two months I will think differently :D

Well, unlike the previous poster I do think 2 weeks is not that much. Most lockdowns here in Europe have been longer than that.

The difference is that lockdowns here were a lot less strict. It was still possible to go to the shops for example, and people in critical supply chains (e.g. food, medical) could still work. Precisely to avoid this kind of issue where people are running out of food.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by GekkePrutser »

tremon wrote: post #97
itronitron wrote: post #91

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What would you estimate to be the Covid vaccination rates in Shanghai? In many European and American cities the consensus of many people seems to be that Covid 'is over', likely due to high vaccination rates and those that have recovered.

the consensus of many people seems to be that Covid 'is over' Personally, I'll reserve my judgement on that until we're past the normal autumn flu/cold wave. Cases declined last year in the summer too.

Except this year severe cases were already manageable by the health system in the middle of winter. That's the difference.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by GekkePrutser »

colechristensen wrote: post #63
miked85 wrote: post #14

I haven't seen yet why China is going into lockdown again. Is there a new variant?

The only way "out" of COVID is that everyone gets exposed regularly enough that their immunity is high enough to make the average case rather mild. You could lockdown and try to force vaccines for a century and not get rid of it. The vaccines don't work well enough to extinct the virus, and the virus is too contagious and has too long an incubation time to make lockdowns work (and new variants seem to be evolving to…

100% agree with you. We just have to deal with it now.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by GekkePrutser »

vmception wrote: post #75
miked85 wrote: post #14

I haven't seen yet why China is going into lockdown again. Is there a new variant?

We just have to accept that their covid zero policy actually worked for two years and their numbers were mostly accurate. Now they arent working and the population has no exposure.

I still doubt their initial numbers from the Wuhan period were accurate though.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by pempem »

itronitron wrote: post #107
tremon wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the consensus of many people seems to be that Covid 'is over' Personally, I'll reserve my judgement on that until we're past the normal autumn flu/cold wave. Cases declined last year in the summer too.

I agree. Anecdotally, a friend of mine's workplace which canceled WFH a few months ago has had many people out sick with Covid over the past three weeks (more than the entire previous year), but luckily none have them have needed to be hospitalized.

The problem gets further pushed to the individual to navigate, without any real support

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by GekkePrutser »

edrxty wrote: post #89
Stevvo wrote: post #40

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Most Chinese still have full confidence in their government and society. It will take a lot more than a couple of days of starvation to get people to upend their lives and flee.

This. Try to find interviews with the average Chinese citizen. Things work very differently over there. Most of them are pretty happy to live in their little information bubbles in much the same way the those in the west do, though they have quite a bit less autonomy in creating said bubble

I really can't wrap my head around it. But this is the same image I'm seeing in the media. Very weird.

I just can't wrap my head around a people collectively happy with a pretty oppressive government.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Post by GekkePrutser »

loceng wrote: post #7

Bags full of people's pets that were gathered due to COVID concerns (it looks like still alive, though uncertain if the plan is to kill them): "Pets filled up in bags for their duly execution in Shanghai, China as a part of the government's Covid response [TW]" - https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/u0fxgd/pets_fi...

That's so sad... Why not just let them sick it out with their owners??
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