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Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by mistrial9 »

robonerd wrote: post #14
mistrial9 wrote: post #3

there is a lenghty (and horrible) documentary on this focusing on the persecution by authorities of a non-violent movement of .. whatever it is called.. across China. The documentary came out in the USA right around the time that major trade policies were changed under Biden, which seemed not-coincidental. Once the finger pointing starts in this thread, lets remind ourselves that peace is possible, starting now. edit…

Those who would make peace with tyranny do not deserve peace.

this phrase exactly, is sometimes called a "dog whistle" .. the intention is to incite violence against those who "do not deserve peace".. It is important to see this for what it is, and what it leads to, IMO.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by asia92 »

beeboop wrote: post #95
hbarka wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know anything about Rose Pak but your rumor post feels so vile like political propaganda. Your links have no substantiation whatsoever and you’re comfortable with that?

Literally the first result on google from a reputable source says she went to China to get a transplant: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-rose-pak-20160919-... And China has an extremely well documented practice of doing exactly what OP said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

Follow the trail. Are the LA times a reputable source?

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by robonerd »

mistrial9 wrote: post #141
robonerd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those who would make peace with tyranny do not deserve peace.

this phrase exactly, is sometimes called a "dog whistle" .. the intention is to incite violence against those who "do not deserve peace".. It is important to see this for what it is, and what it leads to, IMO.

If you want eternal peace, it waits for you on the other side. Until then, si vis pacem, para bellum.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #37
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What makes you think they have any power at all I would say it's also not clear that they want it.

That's how totalitarian regimes work: voicing dissent is dangerous. See other comment (not mine).

or that's how people of China like their country.

Some of them are opposing to the regime, but it is possible that the majority of them is pleased for how things are going, also because things have improved a lot for the average Chinese folk over the past couple of decades.

For many aspects China is not more totalitarian or violent than many other countries, it can in fact be considered an average country in that regards, where 1.2 billion people live. that's more than US + Europe combined (almost two times that)

It is very possible that that's one of the few ways to run such a large country efficiently.

Smaller countries like North Korea for example could probably benefit from a liberal democracy and could be run in such a system, but could China?

And would Chinese people want it?

I think it's an open question.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by Pxtl »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #90
1024core wrote: post #30

I know of one person (my friend's mom) who literally got this procedure done: she needed a new kidney, and they waited till a death row convict came along who was a match. When she was matched, she got a phone call to come over to that particular city quickly, and she went there, and came back a few days later with a brand new pair of kidneys. It was almost like when you give your car in for repair, and when it's rea…

> this guy was going to die anyways, why not save someone's life in the process? because, like private "for profit" prisons, it incentivises bad things. Sci-fi short story on this topic, 1967: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jigsaw_Man

Not just a short, Niven wrote numerous books on the subject.

For example, "A Gift From Earth" was about a bloody revolution on a colony planet where the ruling class oppressed the working class via executions through organ harvesting.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by alephnan »

fullshark wrote: post #100
alephnan wrote: post #41

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Would the west be as rich and Democratic without?

Capital owners would be less rich, laborers would probably be more rich.

What’s the closest country currently in this regard?

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by CryptoBanker »

asia92 wrote: post #142
beeboop wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally the first result on google from a reputable source says she went to China to get a transplant: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-rose-pak-20160919-... And China has an extremely well documented practice of doing exactly what OP said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

Follow the trail. Are the LA times a reputable source?

Yes. Yes they are

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by STFUplz »

belter wrote: post #117
alephnan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would the west be as rich and Democratic without?

Without the exploitation of cheap labor and China work practices, your iPhone would cost 10,000 dollars. Apple would be more like a Cartier or Tiffany...A few small exclusive shops around Monaco and the Cote de Azur.

No post body was provided.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Post by VerminOctopus1 »

There’s an unsettling lack of skepticism from the commenters here. If you do the most surface level digging on this, you will find that the author of the study is a shill for anti-China propaganda, usually with a guise of anti-communism. Writing like this is all produced through Washington thinktanks and then pushed to media outlets en masse. Given the source of money and political bent of this material, it’s hard for me to earnestly believe it.
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