"Execution by organ procurement: Breaching the dead donor rule in China":
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"Human Harvest (Film)"
Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says
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#22So China infringes on human rights, in other news "water is wet". Not really newsworthy. I would be shocked if it was Iceland or Norway doing that. As much as we hate hearing about it, only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime. Having met many Chinese students abroad, I'd say they are OK with this happening. Either they are apathic, or supportive of their totalitarian regime.
> only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime
What makes you think they have any power at all? This is not what history teaches us about totalitarian regimes.
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#23Why do people do this?
Fear. State-sponsored vivisection is a pretty strong deterrent against dissent.
It's not widely known. In fact, I'd wager if you'd tell a Chinese person about it, they'd simply refuse to believe your "Western propaganda".
Money is the real motivation here, as the harvested organs fetch quite the price.
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#24So China infringes on human rights, in other news "water is wet". Not really newsworthy. I would be shocked if it was Iceland or Norway doing that. As much as we hate hearing about it, only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime. Having met many Chinese students abroad, I'd say they are OK with this happening. Either they are apathic, or supportive of their totalitarian regime.
I am astounded by the lack of empathy in what you've written.
It seems more like OP is just being realistic.
Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says
#25Why do people do this?
If you’re going to be killing people anyway it’s easy to start thinking that their organs shouldn’t go to waste, of course this is starting you on a slippery slope that’s better not even to start on
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#26Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says
#27there is a lenghty (and horrible) documentary on this focusing on the persecution by authorities of a non-violent movement of .. whatever it is called.. across China. The documentary came out in the USA right around the time that major trade policies were changed under Biden, which seemed not-coincidental. Once the finger pointing starts in this thread, lets remind ourselves that peace is possible, starting now. edit…
Yeah, the Falun Gong own several media outlets, so they have become well known as a group and have strong social media influences, they themselves support or create minor spinoff groups such as "China Tribunal" in order to get plausible deniablility for the claims these other groups make
To them it is taboo to have their bodies altered, similar to other Christian religious groups elsewhere which don't accept blood transfusions
But anyhow, these days it has become more and more obvious for the Falun Gong members that they are inside a big cult [1]
[1] https://ben-d-hurley.medium.com/information-is-beginning-to-...
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#28The biggest mistake western democracies have made is to trade with dictatorships. Enriching them has not encouraged them to become progressive, it has only made them more powerful. We have sown the seeds of our own destruction through our complicity.
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#29So China infringes on human rights, in other news "water is wet". Not really newsworthy. I would be shocked if it was Iceland or Norway doing that. As much as we hate hearing about it, only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime. Having met many Chinese students abroad, I'd say they are OK with this happening. Either they are apathic, or supportive of their totalitarian regime.
It is nearly impossible to get an honest current thought from a Chinese citizen about that, many are comfortable, many are afraid that they will be reported for expressing any opinion. There is a worldwide network of snitches of mostly other Chinese citizens that will harm their interests and family in China. Just because you aren't part of it by not being Chinese (citizen) doesn't mean that a non-party line message won't harm them.
It is important to understand that gradient of comfort, awareness and consequence. And how that also couples with unawareness, denial. In the same or different people. In this latter regard, its the same as how you would be on any range of topics. Some topics will trigger a hyper nationalistic response from you, others you accept as unchangeable, some would be totally off limits for you to feel comfortable talking about (ie. regime change outside of the prescribed methods) but this last section is a much broader range for a Chinese citizen to feel off limits talking about and the consequences extend beyond them to their family.
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#30I know of one person (my friend's mom) who literally got this procedure done: she needed a new kidney, and they waited till a death row convict came along who was a match. When she was matched, she got a phone call to come over to that particular city quickly, and she went there, and came back a few days later with a brand new pair of kidneys. It was almost like when you give your car in for repair, and when it's ready they call you.
Her justification: this guy was going to die anyways, why not save someone's life in the process?
Rumor is also that SF Chinatown politician Rose Pak[1] got such a procedure done as a favor from the CCP government. She was extremely powerful, and CCP wanted to curry favor with her. When she got back from her "treatment", the entire who's who of SF ruling class showed up at the airport to receive her [2].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Pak
[2] https://www.sfexaminer.com/photo-galleries/chinatown-communi...