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Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Everyone in UK is an organ donor by default

You might criticise that there is still a death penalty

You might criticise the justice system is not good enough

But taking the organs from prisoners that were sentenced to be executed that day doesn't sound that unreasonable, if that guarantees better organs to save someone else

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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I don’t know anything about Rose Pak but your rumor post feels so vile like political propaganda. Your links have no substantiation whatsoever and you’re comfortable with that?

How do you travel to another country, and come back with new kidneys specially when you are already of old age and so not so high on a donation waiting list?

I know other western countries were people in their 60ies regularly receive transplants.

This is in itself nothing sinister and cause for questioning. I don't know about the regulations in mainland China that govern organ donations, so I am not equipped to argue in this specific case.

Just the fact that one received a transplant doesn't mean that there is suspicious activity involved.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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I know of one person (my friend's mom) who literally got this procedure done: she needed a new kidney, and they waited till a death row convict came along who was a match. When she was matched, she got a phone call to come over to that particular city quickly, and she went there, and came back a few days later with a brand new pair of kidneys. It was almost like when you give your car in for repair, and when it's rea…

I don’t know anything about Rose Pak but your rumor post feels so vile like political propaganda. Your links have no substantiation whatsoever and you’re comfortable with that?

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Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you travel to another country, and come back with new kidneys specially when you are already of old age and so not so high on a donation waiting list?

Is there something about being old that prevents you from traveling on planes or receiving organ transplants?

I assume it's usually the younger, higher scored potential organ recipients, even in your own country.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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I know of one person (my friend's mom) who literally got this procedure done: she needed a new kidney, and they waited till a death row convict came along who was a match. When she was matched, she got a phone call to come over to that particular city quickly, and she went there, and came back a few days later with a brand new pair of kidneys. It was almost like when you give your car in for repair, and when it's rea…

I don’t know anything about Rose Pak but your rumor post feels so vile like political propaganda. Your links have no substantiation whatsoever and you’re comfortable with that?

Literally the first result on google from a reputable source says she went to China to get a transplant: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-rose-pak-20160919-...

And China has an extremely well documented practice of doing exactly what OP said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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I am astounded by the lack of empathy in what you've written.

What is he supposed to write instead? This is not news. There's new studies confirming it, but we've known for decades China is ruled by a totalitarian regime that treats human life as disposable, and we've heard rumors of this for decades, and of much, much worse. No one with power has done anything about it. No one with power wants to do anything about it. Instead we have world leaders praise China for its boldness…

"They envy it. They want it. They want us to be less free and more like that."

I logged in to say basically this, but I will expand on this a little.

There is a steady push in US to limit the rights of its citizens. It worked to an extent and had an interesting catalyst in the form of pandemic, but it seems that people who tried to use it expand power overshot a little, because pushback was significant and is now part of midterm fight.

I absolutely agree on your take on China.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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So China infringes on human rights, in other news "water is wet". Not really newsworthy. I would be shocked if it was Iceland or Norway doing that. As much as we hate hearing about it, only the Chinese people have the power to make changes to this regime. Having met many Chinese students abroad, I'd say they are OK with this happening. Either they are apathic, or supportive of their totalitarian regime.

It’s important to note that Chinese students abroad are generally quite wealthy. On average, the system is benefiting them and hiding all the bad stuff from them. It’s hard to know if there is a lot of unrest within China because most of the people who would have a big problem with the regime can’t travel abroad.

On that same note, its also important to not lend much/any weight to the perspective of prior immigrants from China or "greater China" that came in various prior waves. They left, they have a universally negative opinion and haven't been there for 20-30 years. Its not an accurate take on the people there, or the travellers now, as simply surviving this long is a good enough indicator of complacency and comfort.

There is a habit of deferring an opinion to someone that appears closer to the topic - from people that believe they are being inclusive and sensitive - but on the topic of China doing that is completely incompatible. For immigrants, residents and citizens in the west with Chinese heritage this only conveniently plays on a widespread identity and racial ignorance that happens to privilege their opinions, but reduces the rest of our ability to understand and potentially shape policy. As it is a very narrow lens that already matches our opinion of imagining daily woe and oppression from every resident in China, but is simply not accurate.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there something about being old that prevents you from traveling on planes or receiving organ transplants?

I assume it's usually the younger, higher scored potential organ recipients, even in your own country.

China has one of the largest organ transplant programs in the world and there's a very well documented practice of well connected CCP members getting preference.

Re: Chinese inmates had hearts or lungs removed during executions, study says

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The biggest mistake western democracies have made is to trade with dictatorships. Enriching them has not encouraged them to become progressive, it has only made them more powerful. We have sown the seeds of our own destruction through our complicity.

Would the west be as rich and Democratic without?

Capital owners would be less rich, laborers would probably be more rich.
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