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Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions
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Focusing on remote-only, remote-first, remote-from-scratch companies is how I ended up at my current, and literally best company I've ever worked for, gig. Obviously the pool of such companies is smaller than in-person and they tend to have more competition for roles, but my unscientific guess is that pool is growing larger. Bonus points for those companies because they didn't have to "figure it out" or change upper…
I've been in all remote companies since '12, and will never go back unless forced. For what we do, it's pointless to travel to an office. Same goes for a huge majority of corporate work. It's gonna simultaneously trigger and require the economic destruction of a huge amount of office real estate investments to enable the change to remote work to become the majority.
> It's gonna simultaneously trigger and require the economic destruction of a huge amount of office real estate investments to enable the change to remote work to become the majority.
Baring in mind this could be worse than 2008. It's not going to be pretty and workers will ultimately feel the brunt.
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That's why taking the vaccine is valuable! It provides protection, even to those who have had COVID before! Even if you had it last year, you can protect yourself by taking the vaccine! That's what the study shows! Just because you think it's obvious doesn't mean the study isn't valuable!
On the other hand, the job did not require that a recent vaccination is required, just some. So it’s still comparing apples to oranges. On top of that: A recently recovered infection provides probably even more protection than a recent vaccination. It’s difficult to reason about all cases, in my opinion.
The post that started this chain said there were significant benefits to vaccine after infection. That post was correct. Since then, tdfx and others have been launching a barrage of red herrings to somehow undermine and misdirect away from this correct point, rather than simply acknowledging it and moving on to whatever they actually want to say.
If you don't want to be required to take the vaccine, we can have that conversation, but enough spouting nonsense to cast doubt on a correct point.
Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions
#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the other hand, the job did not require that a recent vaccination is required, just some. So it’s still comparing apples to oranges. On top of that: A recently recovered infection provides probably even more protection than a recent vaccination. It’s difficult to reason about all cases, in my opinion.
The post that started this chain said there were significant benefits to vaccine after infection. That post was correct. Since then, tdfx and others have been launching a barrage of red herrings to somehow undermine and misdirect away from this correct point, rather than simply acknowledging it and moving on to whatever they actually want to say. If you don't want to be required to take the vaccine, we can have that…
> Since then, tdfx and others have been launching a barrage of red herrings to somehow undermine and misdirect away from this correct point
The original point is an interesting example of being correct, but also misleading in that it paints getting the vaccine after natural infection as the best course of action. It has benefits, but probably not as many immune benefits as having a second asymptomatic infection after the original one.
I'm not anti-vaccine at all, but the CDC presents the vaccine to everyone in every circumstance as the optimal course of action and it's very clear the science on that is not settled. Blanket statements and their inability to acknowledge edge cases are the reason their credibility has been so badly eroded in the past few years. In their quest not to give anti-vax people a thread to pull on, they've treated the public as too stupid to understand nuance and created an even larger distrust than they would've had to begin with.
Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions
#445Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been in all remote companies since '12, and will never go back unless forced. For what we do, it's pointless to travel to an office. Same goes for a huge majority of corporate work. It's gonna simultaneously trigger and require the economic destruction of a huge amount of office real estate investments to enable the change to remote work to become the majority.
> It's gonna simultaneously trigger and require the economic destruction of a huge amount of office real estate investments to enable the change to remote work to become the majority. Baring in mind this could be worse than 2008. It's not going to be pretty and workers will ultimately feel the brunt.
Yet, if that cooperate real estate were converted into mixed use residential, the corporations might save themselves at the expense of every single family homeowner and investor. This is a likelihood because the single family real estate market would normalize to 1970 home prices with the amount of corporate real estate that could be converted. Don't underestimate corporations willingness to save themselves at the expense of everything else, including our planet.
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I am very open to feedback, thank you for sharing your thoughts. As a quick note just as a reminder, I'm on the PM side of things, so I don't have ANY influence on SWE hiring, and things might not work the same way over there. With that caveat: Last interview in Jan and hiring committee in March is a terrible experience, and I'm sorry you had to deal with that. When I notice a packet where the interviews were more th…
I appreciate your response. As I said, I didn't understand the HC's role during this which was unfortunate. Another recruiter failure. I did match with the team after the interview which was part of the delay, but that is part of my frustration. It seems to me like the HC could have met post-interview but pre-team match. If the HC says no at that point then fine, I'll move on. If they say yes, it's still on me to fin…
Thanks for the additional context, it's helpful. Here's my guess as to what happened - you went through your interview loop, and the feedback was mixed, maybe one interview was a "no hire" or two were a "lean no hire". The recruiter decided that your packet was too weak to go to hiring committee as-is, so they went and lined up a hiring manager to support the packet. All of this took time, unfortunately, and then the packet got rejected at HC anyway.
Do you know what level you were interviewing at? At least for PMs, the more junior/early-career levels, the more latitude we are willing to give hiring managers (within reason- big red flags are big red flags regardless) - effectively, if someone is borderline and the hiring manager says "I'm willing to take them on and here's how I'm going to mentor them to address the gaps", I'm typically willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. For more senior levels where the expectations are higher anyway, fundamental skills gaps are more concerning.
All this is just to say - I'm sorry this was such a bad experience. The new hiring process rolling out, where you team match before you interview, is specifically to reduce the cycle times in hiring so we don't miss out on great candidates due to our bureaucracy. I'd encourage you to reapply when you are eligible again - ask your recruiter when you become eligible (a year? I don't remember), but obviously I understand if this experience has soured you on the process entirely. You can also always reach out to me privately - my work email is zito@ (the google).
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This reads like a marketer wrote it. "A perfect fit for my own engineering training". It's vague and feel-goody and adulation for the company. What parts of Amazon did you not like?
He's an Engineering Manager of Amazon trying to recruit people for Amazon that is losing people at the moment.
I mean, do you really get anything out of hiring more people?
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I know multiple people (including myself) who have passed up opportunities at Google because of how long it takes for them to make a hiring decision. It's incredible how much value they must be leaving on the table. At some point, Google won't be the kind of place that people wait around for. Then they're really screwed.
Google is one of the few companies that can get away with this due to the overwhelming backlog of talent they have lining up for jobs. I doubt they lose much from this process, but at a lesser company it would certainly have a far more damaging impact.
As was said prior. It used to be so. It is not anymore, Google is now cold messaging people on Linkedin, they were not doing that. I do not think you look for best of the best people this way.
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each time you are exposed via vaccine or getting infected, it builds immunity. Getting exposed turns out to be similar to having gotten one shot, though Im sure the immune response has a wider antigen coverage. Keep in mind that getting infected has a substantially higher risk of bad outcomes than getting the vaccine. Getting the vaccine substantially reduces the risk of bad outcomes. Getting infected then getting th…
Each time you get a vaccine you suppress a part of your body that would naturally react. You won't over react to covid but you will also not react in a natural way like previously. What does this mean We will find out in 2024 when the first longterm studies are due out.
What's the advantage of natural reaction?
The natural reaction to viper venom is blood coagulation in the veins.
There's no reason to believe, a priori, that the natural reaction to a biological antagonist is the best one.
Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions
#450So lying liars, lying? All of these corporate companies are pure grifters. If they don't allow remote, don't work there. They have no legitimate reason for office work except authoritarian control measures.