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"hiring committee" = Google.
Haha you'd be surprised of the amount of Google cargo-culting happening in the industry. Lots of companies have 'hiring committees' now.
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Amazon trains its employees to be back stabbers. I'm at the point where if I see a long stint Amazon on your resume, I count that as a point against you, because if we work together, you're probably gonna try to give me the runaround and/or fuck me over.
I doubt anything I say could convince you otherwise, but I've had no experience at all in 8 years at being "stabbed" in the back. Nor have I any way to prove I am not an evil one. Amazon is large, you may be judging on a small sample size.
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#393When I went looking for a fully remote position last year, I was worried that exactly this might happen. Then I heard that Shopify had literally shut down and sold their offices. It's not actually possible for the company to go back to the office because they don't exist. So that's where I work now.
Would love to follow you on Twitter what’s yours?
HackerNews is the most 'social' network I do these days. Facebook and Twitter trigger some very unhealthy buttons in my brain, so I stopped using social media.
Frankly I need to back off on HN as well.
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If there isn’t an IRC, Slack, or other instant messaging system in place, that should be the first step. Without that, I cannot imagine how remote work would actually… work. From there, start being proactive about asking questions or starting conversations. Do not wait for others to reach out. You must initiate. That is a huge part of remote culture. If you are initiating on instant messaging and not generating feedb…
There is a Slack, of course. I've found people quite slow to reply so far. Expecting a new hire to initiate is pretty unrealistic imo. Even in an office, leaders should be encouraging employees to reach out to the new hire and make that connection. In person new hires would be getting a team lunch of some kind at most companies I've ever worked at, some kind of scheduled time to meet and interact with people. I don't…
Remote and office work are not the same in my experience. Your expectations need adjustment, if only because they conflict with the reality that you have observed.
Moreover, senior roles absolutely require you to initiate. If you are in a junior role, proactive behavior will help you advance past those who wait for things to come to them.
In general terms, initiating is an active behavior, while expecting others to initiate is passive. If you want “hands on” from others, tell those hands that you need their engagement.
In general, I strongly advise against passive behavior, unless you want your career driven by the good graces of others.
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OP experience makes me think some kind of added process like Letter of Agreement or Letter of Intent from the initial outreach that says “assuming you pass all the rounds, we will hire you to a remote position at a salary to be determined but between the range of x-y, etc.” could be helpful. It’s not a contract but a precursor and some lighter level of commitment. Common in enterprise sales scenarios but not in mid l…
That might work for much more senior or established roles where the hiring pool is small and candidates few. But for your bog standard engineer roles it's not worth the company time and hassle to fuss with negotiations before interviews even start. The unfortunate reality is they'll just pass over anyone demanding such things and grab any of the other resumes on the stack.
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In what context is focusing ones outrage at all useful, ever? This is just reinforcing destruction, promoting group identity, enabling a mob mentality, and sometimes promotes violence. Honest critique is one thing, mob mentality outrage is not an honest critique.
You can't figure out why, in a community full of developers, that it might be useful to know which employers are lying about remote work?
That wasn't my point. I think that would be part of an honest critique.
The other commenter basically said focusing outrage was not problematic. I don't have any issue with honesty and transparency around hiring practices. However, I do think the appropriate place to do something like that would be on a site like glassdoor, and not a platform like twitter. I think as a country we have way more than enough "outrage" at the moment, I don't see any benefit to adding fuel to fire and communicating it a way that is likely going stir up hashtag vomit.
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There are significant benefits to getting the vaccine after infection https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html
I really wish people would read their sources, and specifically with the CDC, read the sources the CDC is using. The CDC page you referenced uses https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm as its only source for this recommendation. The study monitors outcomes for a group that were all infected at some point in 2020. The vaccine was released at the end of 2020. The study monitors the infection status of thes…
I don't understand your point. People who say "I don't need the vaccine because I already had COVID" never qualify that with how recent their natural infection was. Many of them assume that having it once is forever enough, like with chickenpox. The study shows that this common belief is wrong.
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In the off chance you're open to feedback... I don't understand why the hiring committee had to be the last step in a months long process. If I'd gotten though the 5 grueling interviews and heard a "no", that would have been fine - these things happen. Instead, my last interview was in Jan and I got bounced by the hiring committee in March. I know that I was naïve, but I thought I must be set. I though the hiring com…
I am very open to feedback, thank you for sharing your thoughts. As a quick note just as a reminder, I'm on the PM side of things, so I don't have ANY influence on SWE hiring, and things might not work the same way over there. With that caveat: Last interview in Jan and hiring committee in March is a terrible experience, and I'm sorry you had to deal with that. When I notice a packet where the interviews were more th…
I appreciate your response. As I said, I didn't understand the HC's role during this which was unfortunate. Another recruiter failure.
I did match with the team after the interview which was part of the delay, but that is part of my frustration. It seems to me like the HC could have met post-interview but pre-team match. If the HC says no at that point then fine, I'll move on. If they say yes, it's still on me to find a good team match and if one isn't found than tough luck.
I passed the leet interviews, I had a great interview with an interested hiring manager, at that point everything seemed positive. It's why the HC reject was such a shock.
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Focusing on remote-only, remote-first, remote-from-scratch companies is how I ended up at my current, and literally best company I've ever worked for, gig. Obviously the pool of such companies is smaller than in-person and they tend to have more competition for roles, but my unscientific guess is that pool is growing larger. Bonus points for those companies because they didn't have to "figure it out" or change upper…
I would love to go to a remote first company. How do you even find such a thing without just being super lucky? I'm actually onboarding at a remote position right now where the people I work with are clearly used to everything happening in an office. It's Thursday, I started Monday, and I have spent a grand total of maybe 3 hours speaking to my teammates or direct manager. I've been dumped with a ton of documentation…
Yours is a bad example. I on-boarded at a remote-first company (they were remote pre-COVID) a year ago and my experience was nothing like yours.
I was warmly welcomed and immediately partnered with a senior person. People were extremely helpful and if I needed help, people were always open to hopping on a call to get me unstuck. Most people respond to slack messages quickly.
The only downside is the codebase/tech stack sucks and the technical culture leaves something to be desired. But they have really nailed the remote experience.
I will never willingly go back to the office. My employer definitely gets more productivity out of me than if I were in office. It really is a win-win in my case. [Edit]:removed repetition