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Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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It seems bizarre to me you wouldn't put requirements up front, which seems to be what this thread is complaining about. Thank you for implying I am a moron

Well, you are a moron for refusing a free vaccine that significantly reduces chance of getting covid, AND lessens severity of ailments if you do get it. I'd say it was a bullet dodged by the company.

I'm good thanks - I don't take medical advise (free or not) from people who call me nasty names online

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Since most of us work in at-will states, the advice is pretty much the same. Once you get a sign that management is no longer on your side, start your next job search and document as much as you can. And also try to get an actual contract and not just an offer. Most decent companies will actually give you a real contract beyond the offer that details what the job duties are and the compensation and anything else you'…

Why document? I've gotten that advice, but I've almost never seen it to be helpful: - It's almost impossible to win a law suit for being fired, unless it's clearly based on sex/race/etc. - If you sue, you'll burn bridges - If future employers find out you sued, they won't want to hire you. It's one of those things that's nice in abstract, but in practice, seems like a waste of time, relative to practising for intervi…

The main purpose of documenting is to show HR that you are documenting, which may get them to reconsider sketchy behavior. But beyond that you are right, suing for being fired rarely works and usually is worse for you than them.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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I respectfully disagree. Traveling to the office or for an offsite once a quarter is totally reasonable and when planned some three weeks ahead or so, should pose no issues whatsoever. If you are unable to fit this in your schedule, or are actually that mentally unfit you cannot oblige your fellow humans in your job... Every once in a while? Then you should not have that job. This should be considered reasonable by a…

You can disagree all you want, but at the end of the day it's still only your opinion and is unrealistic. For full disclosure, I have a neurological disease with physical ailments, I have digestive medical problems which would make it embarrassing for me and very uncomfortable for them, and I have a personality disorder which includes anxiety and depression as a bonus. All of which makes onsite participation literall…

Sorry to hear about your issues, and good for you you have enjoyed, and feel assured you can maintain, good paying work fully remote. I indeed assumed full disclosure, both ways. When you have explicitly agreed you will never come in, this should definitely not become an expectation later on.

For the vast majority of jobs though and in the vast majority of cases I still feel it is very normal for people to expect to see each other every now and then in person. Even when the work itself can be done equally well remote and even when there is a significant effort involved.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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While I feel for the people being fooled by recruiters I can not comprehend how come they did not make sure in their first interview that they're indeed hired for remote and it will be stated in their contract. I would never trust recruiter as they're responsible for nothing.

Not everyone is as expert at job hunting as you are.

One does not have to be the expert to realize simplest things. I came to Canada from USSR some 30 years ago. Even then fresh from detached scientist I've had enough sanity to dismiss the words of a middle man.

Also for the reference I am a vendor for the last 20 years and have never used a middle man to find contracts or a job before that.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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G is losing candidates given how long the team matching process takes place.

I know multiple people (including myself) who have passed up opportunities at Google because of how long it takes for them to make a hiring decision. It's incredible how much value they must be leaving on the table. At some point, Google won't be the kind of place that people wait around for. Then they're really screwed.

Google is one of the few companies that can get away with this due to the overwhelming backlog of talent they have lining up for jobs. I doubt they lose much from this process, but at a lesser company it would certainly have a far more damaging impact.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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You can disagree all you want, but at the end of the day it's still only your opinion and is unrealistic. For full disclosure, I have a neurological disease with physical ailments, I have digestive medical problems which would make it embarrassing for me and very uncomfortable for them, and I have a personality disorder which includes anxiety and depression as a bonus. All of which makes onsite participation literall…

Sorry to hear about your issues, and good for you you have enjoyed, and feel assured you can maintain, good paying work fully remote. I indeed assumed full disclosure, both ways. When you have explicitly agreed you will never come in, this should definitely not become an expectation later on. For the vast majority of jobs though and in the vast majority of cases I still feel it is very normal for people to expect to…

In that case I apologize for making a bad assumption and wording my response in an emotionally charged way.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Amazon is doing this. I went through the process and the recruiter tried to manipulate me into "assigning a local office" otherwise it has to go through "an approval process". I told him put it through the approval then or I walk. He also tried car-salesman tactics of trying to get me to accept a lower total comp package. I stood firmly at the top of my range and after days of trying to convince me otherwise, they fi…

GE burnt me out within six months doing the same crap. In my case I was coming in as a contractor for six months (and then on to FTE) and the original contract mentioned "travel" which I had them remove and they told me no travel ever...not a big deal.

Whole story changed when it came to hiring on as an FTE. Occasional travel was required and no guarantees on getting hired with some wired interview process that they actually took seriously. Total bait and switch trash.

I went through with it because I had already left my previous job fucking six months earlier. I hired in at, as I come to find out, some illustrious Senior Staff level that is nearly impossible to achieve for people starting thier career there. I was soon meeting people who had been kissing ass for a decade who were getting denied senior level.

I spent the next six months telegraphing my lack of enthusiasm for the company and was laid off when the pandemic set in. People were offering me other jobs etc but I refused and took the package...which was very nice at my level. I had just been paid full bonus and I received a bonus the following year for time I spent with the company on the next bonus cycle. A year after being laid off another $5k drops in my account. These people are batshit.

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Amazon is doing this. I went through the process and the recruiter tried to manipulate me into "assigning a local office" otherwise it has to go through "an approval process". I told him put it through the approval then or I walk. He also tried car-salesman tactics of trying to get me to accept a lower total comp package. I stood firmly at the top of my range and after days of trying to convince me otherwise, they fi…

> I'm not coming in, ever. In my experience working remote for the past decade "remote" usually involves coming to the office or having an offsite once a quarter. I don't think that's unreasonable at all.

Coming on-site once in a while isn't only not unreasonable, but an incredibly good idea.

Ought to be well-structured to be productive. My old employer used to set up a full day of 1:1 or small meetings with folks, end-to-end with short breaks in between. These were pretty informal (often walks) and cut across the company (not just my part of the org).

Re: Tell HN: Recruiters are lying about remote positions

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Why document? I've gotten that advice, but I've almost never seen it to be helpful: - It's almost impossible to win a law suit for being fired, unless it's clearly based on sex/race/etc. - If you sue, you'll burn bridges - If future employers find out you sued, they won't want to hire you. It's one of those things that's nice in abstract, but in practice, seems like a waste of time, relative to practising for intervi…

The main purpose of documenting is to show HR that you are documenting, which may get them to reconsider sketchy behavior. But beyond that you are right, suing for being fired rarely works and usually is worse for you than them.

I have no desire to be vindicated. I'd like a peaceful life. That involves minimizing fights.
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