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An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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hihihihi1234 wrote: post #105
seizethegdgap wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The video is here, ( https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/tzosau/peop... ) but each clip is unsourced or from an unknown date/time/location. It isn't a collective "mass suicide" in the Jonestown sense of the term, but a mass amount of individuals committing suicide.

I know this guy who's a rabid anti-vaxxer who thinks the COVID vaccines are a bioweapon engineered to kill people as part of a shadowy conspiracy to lower the world population by a billions. He claims that vaccinated people are dropping dead of heart attacks left, right and centre and it's all being covered up. Recently he sent me some "evidence" of this claim which was a compilation of clips (many taken from live TV…

Did you point this out to the 'rabid anti-vaxxer' who sent it to you? What was his reaction? My guess is the reality of it doesn't matter one bit to that person.

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Post by School-Cotton »

fivea wrote: post #125
rosndo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keeping everything locked down has a huge human cost too. Quite possibly even bigger than “wishing the virus away”.

> Keeping everything locked down has a huge human cost too. That really depends on what's your personal definition of "keeping everything locked down". European countries like Spain and Italy showed that lockdowns work quite well in quickly halving infection rates with negligible externalities, but their lockdown focused on non-essential work and everyone was allowed to do basic provisioning things such as going to t…

> negligible externalities.

I hate this trend of downplaying how harsh the lockdowns were, even in Western countries. If you think they were worth it because you personally put a high importance on longevity, fine, that’s a legitimate policy position (though I disagree with it). But what happened in Spain and Italy was a catastrophic disruption to normal life by any reasonable standard.

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Post by ailun »

Shadonototra wrote: post #113
ailun wrote: post #74

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I saw that video and I don't they are all in Shanghai or all recent.

all recent? are you sure about that? in half of them, you see people without a single mask, wich indicates they are not that recent ;) aren't you trying to spread misinformation? https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/annual/measur... In the USA: 1.4 millions suicide attempt in 2019 4000 suicide a day! make a video about it, and you'll have the same effect ;) Okok, let's only take deaths 47.5k deaths in 2019…

Yeah I forgot a word there. Typed it quickly on my phone. Meant to say I don't think the clips are all recent or in Shanghai.

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Post by zdragnar »

kkfx wrote: post #343
tangsanqian wrote: post #234

As a Chinese, I can say that the situation is worse than it in the article. My brother is a student who lives in a flat and has not eaten for two days and no one has brought basic substances. He can't leave the flat, he turns to his tutor but his tutor is also forced to stay at home (eating instant noodles every day). We are worried about him but there is nothing we can do, if we criticise the government on chinese T…

There are two kind of issue there: - have no "buffer", meaning living in houses where you can't store food in quantity sufficient for a certain, not little, period of time, in some countries there are even official recommendations like Swiss who recommend one week of food and three days of water (I think, not sure about exact data); - live in a not-united population that can arise effectively, no government, no power…

> no government, no power can stop an angry population

There are plenty of examples of the government doing just that in China. Boxer, taiping, 8 trigrams rebellions, etc, and those are just a few recent historical examples.

In a country as large as China, you need substantial support from sympathetic government insiders if the angry population is even remotely regionally located. Uniting a billion people is an extremely high bar if that is your goal.

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Post by happyopossum »

api wrote: post #270

This is what annoys me about the US COVID protesters. We really didn’t have lockdowns in the US. A lockdown is when you have curfews, can’t go out, can’t travel at all, etc. I saw little of that in the US and what was there was sparsely enforced to the point of being not much more than a suggestion.

Where I live in the US we had a curfew and a travel ban, and we’re only allowed out of the house to shop or go to an approved job.

Business nod deemed critical were forced to shut down, with no warning or recompense to their owners. Many of them went bankrupt, were forced to lay off all of their employees, and cancel contracts with customers.

Spring 2020 here was no Shanghai, but it wasn’t the nothing-burger you seem to think it was.

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Post by robonerd »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #333
somewhereoutth wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article provides no direct evidence of people starving, only that 'We cannot freely choose our recipes'. There is also a picture of 3 fresh fish!

I appreciate your insistence on evidence of starvation. Death from starvation generally requires 30 - 70 days without food, depending on starting weight, body fat, activity levels, etc. Shanghai has been under lockdown for 12 days. It is unlikely you will find any real evidence of starvation. More interesting to me are the claims that food is scarce, grocery orders are unreliable, the government has not provided suff…

Starvation starts long before death by starvation occurs.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

bamboozled wrote: post #415

What actually is going on in China, is there some type of economic meltdown in progress ? Like, we can say it's because of covid, but something seems a miss to me. > This is the biggest, richest, most international city of China and people are starving, without medicine, and without freedom. What?

I think it's as much a show of force and power by the CCP as anything. They will even shut down one of their largest and most prosperous cities on a whim if it suits their goals. Starving people and shutdown productivity do not matter in the face of what the CCP wills to happen. It's as much a warning and shot across the bow as anything.

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Post by guardiangod »

marcosdumay wrote: post #400
hans1729 wrote: post #295

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Since Sinovac is basically useless (about half as effective against the original virus, much less vs delta and omicron), China seems to come to the conclusion that letting Omicron run through would have worse consequences than the lockdowns. It’s a fucked situation.

What I don't get is, China has more than enough money to buy a vaccine that is more effective, and more than enough research capability to develop something against omicron if it's that bad there. Why don't they? (Also, why didn't we scale the vaccines with the confidence we had, instead of waiting months doing nothing just because the complete results weren't available?)

Because all 4 China made vaccines' pharmaceutical companies are backed by higher ups in the CCP. Every Chinese vaccine injected is money to these officials(or their relatives') wallets

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Post by School-Cotton »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #227
Barrin92 wrote: post #145

Kind of crazy how sentimental and emotional the response is with barely any actual discussion going on about the merits of this on a grand scale. Yes, stories about people's dogs and temporary economic depression are awful. The larger picture is that China by pursuing these policies has stopped millions of deaths, probably tens of millions of cases of long term disabilities, and overall kept the economy going. It's w…

The larger picture is that China by pursuing these policies has stopped millions of deaths Stopped or just delayed deaths? At some point they are going to have to stop the lockdowns, and Covid will still be there, ready to continue spreading.

Everyone dies eventually, so all deaths are only delayed.

Which is why it’s ridiculous when people claim that a 70-year-old dying is just as bad as a 30-year-old. These people are simply not capable of thinking quantitatively.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

user_named wrote: post #339

I posted a Tell HN about lockdowns coming before they were announced, about two or three weeks ago. I'm currently in lockdown, not sure when we're getting out. And then after that someone in the compound will probably be infected pretty soon and it all starts over. Feel free to AMA.

I don't see how anyone could miss it given what happened around the world with omicron. One slip and you have about 90% of the people in a room catch it, and then those people go other places.
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