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An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by School-Cotton »

jefftk wrote: post #66
ImaCake wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Australia is open and has been for a while. As far as I know there were no novel variants that were found first here because the lockdowns suppressed case numbers and besides, there is only 25 million Australians. We have the same variants as the rest of the world, except most Australians don't know anyone who has died from COVID.

Australia: 6.6k deaths, 25M population, 0.03% dead US: 1M deaths, 300M people, 0.3% dead. On the other hand, Australia's had most of their deaths recently and is still going, while the US deaths were mostly earlier. So the gap will likely narrow over time.

I think living in the relative freedom of the US rather than Australia for the last two years has been worth way more than an 0.27% chance of dying.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Markoff »

It's beyond me why would anyone move to Shanghai in 2017, that's already after T left China after spending there better half of decade because of how unbeareable it became with Xi coming to power and that was many years before 2017 with tightening screws in every aspect of (foreigner's) life. China peaked some time between 2008 and Xi being elected, since his election it's all going downhill very quickly.

Btw. as Beijinger who spent few weeks in Shanghai on business trips I've never understood appeal of Shanghai, I'd much rather go for Shenzhen or Chengdu as alternatives to Beijing.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Jonovono »

entropie wrote: post #362
Jonovono wrote: post #132

For anyone interested, here are a couple Instagram accounts I am following posting from inside Shanghai. Scary stuff. Potentially NSFW (sometimes they post videos of some nasty stuff happening) https://instagram.com/kaypapaii https://instagram.com/ciaransingleton

There is nothing topic related to see. I consider this spam.

What do you mean nothing topic related to see? It's literal first hand videos from Shanghai, and the topic of this post is "An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown". What would make it more on topic? View their stories. These people post videos everyday from inside Shanghai, since this is a post about accounts of Shanghais handling of Covid, I figured there may be others interested in seeing these.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by djrogers »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #333
somewhereoutth wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article provides no direct evidence of people starving, only that 'We cannot freely choose our recipes'. There is also a picture of 3 fresh fish!

I appreciate your insistence on evidence of starvation. Death from starvation generally requires 30 - 70 days without food, depending on starting weight, body fat, activity levels, etc. Shanghai has been under lockdown for 12 days. It is unlikely you will find any real evidence of starvation. More interesting to me are the claims that food is scarce, grocery orders are unreliable, the government has not provided suff…

>Death from starvation generally requires 30 - 70 days without food (Snip) > It is unlikely you will find any real evidence of starvation

Whoa there - how’d you manage to move those goalposts so quickly? Starvation is a condition - death is not a required aspect of that condition.

Starvation has long been considered inhumane, and a form of torture - it’s not OK all of a sudden just because you don’t have proof someone died.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by FerociousTimes »

tangsanqian wrote: post #234

As a Chinese, I can say that the situation is worse than it in the article. My brother is a student who lives in a flat and has not eaten for two days and no one has brought basic substances. He can't leave the flat, he turns to his tutor but his tutor is also forced to stay at home (eating instant noodles every day). We are worried about him but there is nothing we can do, if we criticise the government on chinese T…

The only hope for your brother is if there's a black market for food staples and basic commodities taken shape in Shanghai already and there's an informal network of couriers to deliver food behind all the barriers

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by JoshTko »

blhack wrote: post #328

This is legitimately confusing to me. Didn’t we learn that: 1) Lockdown do nothing 2) Vaccines are effective Why are they locking people down? Why aren’t they just vaccinating them all?

Lockdowns were extremely effective in preventing healthcare collapse in nearly all countries it was implemented. Countries that did not go into lockdown early on such as Sweden were seeing up to 15% death rated. Lockdowns allowed sufficient time for the development and distribution of effective vaccines. China unfortunately has not completed the latter step of wide distribution of an effective vaccine. Their healthcare system will collapse without lockdowns.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Jonovono »

hmd_imputer wrote: post #364
dmix wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they live videos because I don’t see anything on either account…

Check out their "Stories"

Ya, clearly I didn't realize people don't know how to use Instagram lol. For those confused make sure you view their stories (you tap on their profile picture)

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by ceejayoz »

thisiscorrect wrote: post #300
chasd00 wrote: post #285

With omicron isn’t a zero Covid policy a fools errand? As the virus mutates into ever more infectious variants a zero-Covid policy becomes impossibe.

Yes. But it was also a fool's errand before omicron. Has there ever been a recorded instance of eliminating a respiratory infection before?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS#Containment

> The World Health Organization declared severe acute respiratory syndrome contained on 5 July 2003. The containment was achieved through successful public health measures. In the following months, four SARS cases were reported in China between December 2003 and January 2004.

> While SARS-CoV-1 probably persists as a potential zoonotic threat in its original animal reservoir, human-to-human transmission of this virus may be considered eradicated because no human case has been documented since four minor, brief, subsequent outbreaks in 2004.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS#Prevention

> Many public health interventions were made to try to control the spread of the disease, which is mainly spread through respiratory droplets in the air, either inhaled or deposited on surfaces and subsequently transferred to a body's mucous membranes. These interventions included earlier detection of the disease; isolation of people who are infected; droplet and contact precautions; and the use of personal protective equipment (PPE), including masks and isolation gowns. A 2017 meta-analysis found that for medical professionals wearing N-95 masks could reduce the chances of getting sick up to 80% compared to no mask. A screening process was also put in place at airports to monitor air travel to and from affected countries.

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by Monotoko »

a_wang wrote: post #344

the worst thing I hear that highways around Tianjin and Beijing are closed. If you have friends living in those places, please message them to reserve a loooot of foods

Also Suzhou, Hangzhou and Wuxi

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/902836853999276074/...

Re: An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown

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Post by marcosdumay »

hans1729 wrote: post #295
chasd00 wrote: post #285

With omicron isn’t a zero Covid policy a fools errand? As the virus mutates into ever more infectious variants a zero-Covid policy becomes impossibe.

Since Sinovac is basically useless (about half as effective against the original virus, much less vs delta and omicron), China seems to come to the conclusion that letting Omicron run through would have worse consequences than the lockdowns. It’s a fucked situation.

What I don't get is, China has more than enough money to buy a vaccine that is more effective, and more than enough research capability to develop something against omicron if it's that bad there. Why don't they?

(Also, why didn't we scale the vaccines with the confidence we had, instead of waiting months doing nothing just because the complete results weren't available?)

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