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Let’s take time to discuss this, as it’s easier to discuss when it happens to another country with an entirely different social system. I was surprised, last year, that techniques we were condescending about, and saying it only happens in China, were applied in Europe and USA. As if it was an emergent property of a human group facing a new disease.
Talks about how magic money doesn’t exist but then printing out checks for everyone and it materially helping loads of people was definitely an Overton window shifter as well. There are principles and a status quo, and it always stays the same… until it changes.
An Account of the Shanghai Lockdown
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't think they could go to the Western pharmaceutical companies and just ask for 3 billion doses. Ramping up production was a problem in the beginning but now it should not be a problem to produce enough shots to supply China. Even a single shot mRNA would improve immunity by a lot when combined with other vaccines. If China had ordered it in 2020 they would have received multiple doses per person by now. I hav…
> "I have no idea why mRNA failed in China." Classic case of "not invented here" syndrome?
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> "Hong Kong is a very rich area. Many other areas would fare much worse." Being rich or poor doesn't have too much to do with it. Hong Kong is badly affected because it has a very high population density combined with low vaccination rates.
Wealth did have a very strong effect, just not the one we usually see. Poorer countries faired better against the disease itself: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-confirmed-deaths-of... And it's not population density either, otherwise Bangladesh and India would be leading the packs in deaths, but they're comfortably in the middle while much of Europe pushes the top. Where this falls apart is in government re…
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let’s take time to discuss this, as it’s easier to discuss when it happens to another country with an entirely different social system. I was surprised, last year, that techniques we were condescending about, and saying it only happens in China, were applied in Europe and USA. As if it was an emergent property of a human group facing a new disease.
It's because our own political apparatus is not that different from the Chinese one. We just like to pretend we still have a choice with our "democratic vote". You won't be able to dismantle it or even to reduce the huge amount of money it consumes. You won't be able to escape its rules. We should be thankful we're still able to leave for the least worse country. The real disease is called statalism and we're seeing…
"The Statue of Liberty is kaput".
That's disconcerting.
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#65Little weird to be talking about peopel starving and lacking meds, but then again they re able to find fresh fish. Anyway, i wonder what this pattern of isolatation can create in terms of covid variants which may develop in china or australia but which haven't been introduced to the rest of world this season.
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#66Little weird to be talking about peopel starving and lacking meds, but then again they re able to find fresh fish. Anyway, i wonder what this pattern of isolatation can create in terms of covid variants which may develop in china or australia but which haven't been introduced to the rest of world this season.
Well Australia is open and has been for a while. As far as I know there were no novel variants that were found first here because the lockdowns suppressed case numbers and besides, there is only 25 million Australians. We have the same variants as the rest of the world, except most Australians don't know anyone who has died from COVID.
US: 1M deaths, 300M people, 0.3% dead.
On the other hand, Australia's had most of their deaths recently and is still going, while the US deaths were mostly earlier. So the gap will likely narrow over time.
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Well Australia is open and has been for a while. As far as I know there were no novel variants that were found first here because the lockdowns suppressed case numbers and besides, there is only 25 million Australians. We have the same variants as the rest of the world, except most Australians don't know anyone who has died from COVID.
Australia: 6.6k deaths, 25M population, 0.03% dead US: 1M deaths, 300M people, 0.3% dead. On the other hand, Australia's had most of their deaths recently and is still going, while the US deaths were mostly earlier. So the gap will likely narrow over time.
No. Most of the early deaths occured because people didn't get some vaccine immunity before getting their first infection. Most people in Australia were vaccinated before their first infection thereby lowering the death rate.
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#68The shear size of some of these provinces make the logistical challenge of food delivery almost impossibile. This is horrifying and to think people are starving in these conditions with no option but to run away with dire consequences.
> The shear size of some of these provinces make the logistical challenge of food delivery almost impossibile. This kind of argument sounds like a logical fallacy to me. Sure, if a single person or organization suddenly needs to supply a large area it's a logistical nightmare. For example if the USA would suddenly need to supply hundreds of millions of people in China. But that is not the case. In those areas the log…
A logical fallacy isn't a "feeling", it's a short hand for identifying a poor use of logic, you should be able to directly explain the flaw you see in the other posters reasoning.
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> "I have no idea why mRNA failed in China." Classic case of "not invented here" syndrome?
That surely played a part. But by now there would have been enough time to admit defeat and just order some from Europe.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Australia: 6.6k deaths, 25M population, 0.03% dead US: 1M deaths, 300M people, 0.3% dead. On the other hand, Australia's had most of their deaths recently and is still going, while the US deaths were mostly earlier. So the gap will likely narrow over time.
> So the gap will likely narrow over time. No. Most of the early deaths occured because people didn't get some vaccine immunity before getting their first infection. Most people in Australia were vaccinated before their first infection thereby lowering the death rate.