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#41
The good CGI, you don't notice. David Fincher is famous for using A LOT of CGI in his movies, and I'd bet good money that you don't notice the vast majority of said CGI in his movies.

Example video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QChWIFi8fOY

But there are lots of vids that show the use of CGI in his movies.

Re: “I believe CGI is getting worse even as the tech advances.”

#42
I don't really see these as examples of bad CGI. But I noticed that I rarely notice "bad CGI". Maybe it's because I play a lot of videogames so I am more used to computer generated graphics? I keep reading online and my friends tell me how "the surf wave in Die Another Day looked horrible and I can't watch this movie because of it", "how fake Smiths look when Neo is fighting them in Matrix Reloaded" and I never really notice those things.

Re: “I believe CGI is getting worse even as the tech advances.”

#43
I think CGI is getting worse for the same reason video games are getting worse - reaching 70% of a result can be done with 10% of the effort it took decades ago, but reaching 100% is not getting easier - you need tons of incredibly talented and dedicated engineers who have a very deep understanding of CG and come up with a bespoke solution.

An example in movies would be the video the Corridor guys did on the Terminator 2 shot where the T-1000 phases through the prison bars - the VFX team on the movie essentially built a fluid simulation engine to get it right. The fact that they were able to recreate the effect on a shoestring budget speaks volumes of their talent and the evolution of tooling, but it doesn't look nearly as good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXehBx0Yc_w

Another example from the field of video games would be Back 4 Blood vs Left 4 dead - the insane amount of care and effort Valve put into minute details cannot be replicated by faster tools and more computing power:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRLNUGmFC8

Re: “I believe CGI is getting worse even as the tech advances.”

#44
post #22

It’s not the technology. It’s lack of vision, talent and passion combined with executive meddling. Most directors hired consistently these days are low talent “yes people” who won’t rattle cages and will do what the execs want, produce milquetoast inoffensive movies that can be successfully marketed to China.

Execs probably feel CGI crews are 'easier' to manage too, given the unionisation of a lot of traditional film set crews.

Worth keeping in mind with things like Marvel movies the CGI fight scenes are all being created while the rest of the movie is still being decided and the bits between them are written after they’re finished to connect them.

This is why the tone in some of them is so weird and everything feels weightless and without consequence.

Re: “I believe CGI is getting worse even as the tech advances.”

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Dune Worth checking out interviews with the (now Oscar® winning) cinematographer Greig Fraser. The scene with the Sardaukar floating down into the abandoned science station was supposedly one of the more challenging shots: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8228w-XzV4 They could only shoot the scene between 10:31 and 10:53 so that the shadow is in the exact place that they wanted it. It was all natural lighting (th…

Timestamp?

https://youtu.be/S8228w-XzV4?t=358

Re: “I believe CGI is getting worse even as the tech advances.”

#46
Just lack of skill or talent.

Nowadays technology is available almost for everyone. But that doesn't mean that quality increases. To be really good in some craft you need to invest a lot of time. Be specialized in any art department means that you have to work for company. But I can say from my experience, that really talented people don't want to work for companies that create commercial products like entertainment films. But if you want to be independent (freelancer), you need more skills to know and therefore be less specialized. It is a vicious circle.

Re: “I believe CGI is getting worse even as the tech advances.”

#47
Disagree. As resolution increases the time to render increases by something like a power of 3. That takes time to catch up to. And it means shortcuts that used to work can't be cut short anymore.

Also, no amount of render muscle will ever compensate for the idiot writer or director who wants superman to yank a helicopter out of the sky without holding on to the ground. That shot will look fake no matter how photoreal you make it.

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