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One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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I think the assumption was that it spies on users or does something more interesting that just pedestrial propaganda

The fact is it's verifiably used as a propaganda tool increases the chance it's used for other "special" needs too.

Well what do we have NSA for? President complains about a spying app for months, can't they get off their ass and check? Or are they only good at spying on Joe the piblic?

Or maybe they checked but didn't find anything?

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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I've heard explosions similarly far away (although it was at the coast and in an unusually quiet place). Explosions in the air travel really far. And every time I heard explosions so far I looked at the news/social media. In one of these incidents the news article seemed like it might be a coverup to me so I looked up user forums in case someone leaked the real information.

Do you remember what explosion it was that you heard 80km away? Because I seriously doubt any of the weaponry Russia has dropped so far can be heard anywhere close to that far.

Not OP, but I remember reports of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buncefield_fire explosion which wikipedia claims "Because of an inversion layer, the explosions were heard up to 125 miles (200 km) away".

In my original post I was referring to an explosion _inside_ Belgorod: https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-strikes-fuel-depot-rus... which may or may not be directly linked to the war; Ukraine has denied responsibility.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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You have changed the question. Russia has banned foreign media, in addition to restricting local media to publishing the government view. Since I'm British, and you'd probably consider the US and UK equivalent for this purpose, here's a major British newspaper article arguing against NATO action in Libya: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/23/nothin... (Given https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_US…

I understand that Russian ban of foreign media is not good, but some west countries banned Russian media too and created special difficulties for them early...

Generally I don’t support limiting free speech or even banning Russia TV channels in this case. But let’s not pretend that quasi independent government propaganda department are equivalent to western media companies.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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If you consider that the Ukrainian conflict is a war between US and Russia, then yes all western media are pro-Ukrainian (it serves US interests at the moment).

It's not though, so your point is irrelevant.

Next you tell me that NATO hasn't moved East despite promises.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Tor, IPFS? It's still besides the point, though: Internet is like radio waves; sure you can be prosecuted for using them for activity that's illegal in where you currently are, but it does not constitute a threat to electromagnetism.

IPFS does two things here that you might not want to use for the use case you describe. Clients host the content they access. The real IP address of people hosting any particular content is discoverable. Using IPFS for this use case could make for an easy list of targets.

Huh, thanks, I didn't know that - particularly the third point. Is IPFS over Tor a thing?

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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unrelated: could you name one just one US media source that you consider to be independent (with an anti-war article where US is perpetrator).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Ridder Famously debunked the justifications for the Iraq war at the time they were being spread. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-... The Russians view Fox News as a balanced news source. Walter Kronkite, perhaps the most famous TV anchor in US history was publicly against the Vietnam war https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite

Is there an example of the media that still exist today?

Iraq war is where "embed" journalism became the only acceptable source where journalists were killed by US.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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> No, see, that's but one example of how your unwillingness or inability to accept any complexity or nuance gets in the way of thinking. Or maybe I've heard the "tv license" excuse for many years now. Nothing you wrote is new to me. Surprised you didn't post a link to BBC edited wikipedia article. > If you insist that everything is the same and all politicians are corrupt and all media are lying then you're just givi…

These are insightful and deep thoughts indeed :) > I've no problem calling putin a corrupt politician. Just like I have no problem calling zelensky or biden or trump a corrupt politician. Don't forget Pol Pot. These politicians are all the same. I'm reminded of murderers Oscar Pistorious and Jeffrey Dahmer. Likewise the terrorism of the French Resistance and Osama Bin Laden. What a unique and valuable perspective to…

While I agree on the larger point, this thing struck me.

> Likewise the terrorism of the French Resistance and Osama Bin Laden.

I mean, Robespierre probably killed more people and not exactly for better reasons. Reign of terror was exactly what the name implies.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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I would suggest watching Death of Stalin (2018) to understand why Russia bad

Of course russia is bad. it's an absolute corrupt hellhole, I know that. My point is that so is Ukraine. Not sure why we are taking sides in a war between two former soviet republics both run by corrupt oligarchs

Because one is the attacker and the other one is the attacked?

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Currently Russia doesn't have a singe reliable news source. We all have seen the pro-Russian narrative - there's no war, we're not murdering the civilians, all Ukrainians are nazis developing bioweapons targeting "slav DNA" and to be delivered across the border by birds, etc. Those are not news. Needless to say that this propaganda also targets people in other countries with large ethnical Russian population, specifi…

However "unreliable" these news sources are, they present a different opinion that is being censored. And since there are just two sides in this war, you can only see just one side of a story.

The Russian statements are easily available. Starting from special military operation, actually west forced us to do it, Ukraine is not real country, the calls for denazification, ultimately towards de-Ukrainiation. Continuing by saying civilians in Bucha were actually killed by Ukrainians and including that Marinopol is actually bombed by Ukraine itself. It is super easy to find what Russian embassies and politicians are saying. Full statements are available on their twitter accounts, Facebook pages or general websites. It is super easy to find Russians writing in English complaining about sanctions or voicing their opinions about Russia.

Full history of changing official Russian narrative is available.

There is no problem to find Russian official statements at all. The issue here is that you ignore what they are saying in order to pretend it is not available or that it was somewhat convincing.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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On the other hand... I was really against the Iraq war and nobody ever threatened me with 15 years of jail for it. The architects of that conflict left when term limits were up. (Putin did not.) Don't get me wrong, Iraq was pointless. Afghanistan seemed to have a justification at the start but was mismanaged early on. In terms of culture, wide swaths of the population were brainwashed in a similar way to how we talk…

I don't really think if you will do peaceful express your opinion against war in Russia maybe with single protest you will get a real term in prison only a monetary fine and even this is not always the case.

Russian police arrest demonstrator protesting with blank sign - https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/russia-protest-war-bla...
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