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One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by Zanfa »

cabirum wrote: post #152

Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are blocked in Russia because they only allow pro-Ukraine narrative. The social platforms became weapons in this war. Anyone noticed they blocked accounts of most Russian media companies and news sources? Or users with "wrong" opinions are being shadow banned? Or Google deprioritised or excluded some Russian gov services (even non news)? Sorry, but unbiased sources do not exist. Free…

Given russian media is legally only allowed to spout government-approved propaganda, it really makes sense to ban them from social media. This does not equal to only allowing pro-Ukrainian media.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by qiskit »

toxik wrote: post #78
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep... Putin blocking media ... sure... dictators block stuff all the time. EU blocking RT.com (and a few others) was quite a shock for me,... really a thing that should not be happening in EU (no matter whose propaganda it is).

Agreed, I was also surprised that the EU would do the very thing that is supposed to set it apart: media censorship.

EU has been at the forefront of censorship. Germany is a model for internet censorship around the world.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/06/germany-online-crackdow...

It's funny how people think EU or europe in general is a bastion of freedom. It's not. Never has been. And never will be. What europe is exceptional at is self-promotion and virtue signaling.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by pphysch »

philliphaydon wrote: post #11
karencarits wrote: post #3

I like the systematic approach they have used, and am a bit scared by the results. In one way, it is not that surprising that a social media app is so tightly controlled and used as a tool by the Russian government to hide unpleasant parts of reality. But I think it is a bit surprising that TikTok hasn't met more criticism and resistance on this

I don't find it surprising at all. It's basically a propaganda platform. Can't decide if its worse than Twitter or not.

Does TikTok mark Washington's enemies with big "X-state affiliated media" warnings while omitting them for American-state affiliated media?

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by thriftwy »

jimbobimbo wrote: post #138
throwaway48375 wrote: post #45

>Ukrainian Nykolai gets to see men in military attire singing patriotic songs about loving Ukraine. Or talking about it being a man's duty to sign up for battle. >Russian Alexei sees a man tripping over in the water, a puppy patting a duckling on the head and some funny, homemade costumes. Is it just me or does the first one sound like propaganda and the second one sound like normal TikTok?

Does inability to explicitly find and watch Ukrainian videos from the Russian IP (see closer to the end of the article) sound like a normal Tiktok?

Why do you think they will watch Ukrainian videos? In Telegram there's plenty of Russian war videos. Probably, hundreds of channels with tens-hundreds of thousands subscribers.

It's just TikTok does not want to be part of this.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by gspr »

user3939382 wrote: post #101

My position is that Russia's Article 51 legal justification for the invasion is a stretch at best, but that the US policy of unnecessary, aggressive NATO expansion [1] baited Putin into this war whereas he was very clear Ukrainian NATO membership was a red line for him. We also made no effort to encourage Ukraine to honor the Minsk accords which would have almost certainly prevented this. If Mexico was hostile and Ru…

US policy isn't "expanding" NATO. NATO expands because free, sovereign nations apply to join.

Name a single country that is in NATO against its own will due to "US policy".

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by pphysch »

alex-ant wrote: post #160
cabirum wrote: post #152

Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are blocked in Russia because they only allow pro-Ukraine narrative. The social platforms became weapons in this war. Anyone noticed they blocked accounts of most Russian media companies and news sources? Or users with "wrong" opinions are being shadow banned? Or Google deprioritised or excluded some Russian gov services (even non news)? Sorry, but unbiased sources do not exist. Free…

Currently Russia doesn't have a singe reliable news source. We all have seen the pro-Russian narrative - there's no war, we're not murdering the civilians, all Ukrainians are nazis developing bioweapons targeting "slav DNA" and to be delivered across the border by birds, etc. Those are not news. Needless to say that this propaganda also targets people in other countries with large ethnical Russian population, specifi…

What is your standard for "reliable news source"?

Does it look something like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by soheil »

What is ironic is surely the dancing video mentioned and not that a publicly funded Norwegian government-owned media, NRK, (Jens Stoltenberg from Norway is the head of Nato) publishes a hit piece on TikTok all the while ignoring what FB, Twitter and many other social media have been doing to people in their own counties including the US for years.

Very convenient.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by user3939382 »

kcb wrote: post #153
user3939382 wrote: post #101

My position is that Russia's Article 51 legal justification for the invasion is a stretch at best, but that the US policy of unnecessary, aggressive NATO expansion [1] baited Putin into this war whereas he was very clear Ukrainian NATO membership was a red line for him. We also made no effort to encourage Ukraine to honor the Minsk accords which would have almost certainly prevented this. If Mexico was hostile and Ru…

Your perspective is the same tired idea that the US is the only country that controls world foreign policy and everyone else just plays along. What of the Ukrainian people?

Here's the US government explicitly picking the leaders of the Ukrainian government before they were put in place https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Not to mention that leading up to this transition of power we backed a violent coup of their democratically elected government in 2014.

What of the Ukrainian people in Eastern Ukraine who have been getting bombed for 7 years in a civil war? The Ukrainian people through their government agreed to the Minsk accords which would have prevented this but were then never honored.

I wouldn't say this idea is tired at all, it's the opposite, it's banned and unspoken on corporate media that serves as the mouthpiece for the US government and arms industry.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by user3939382 »

kreeben wrote: post #128
user3939382 wrote: post #101

My position is that Russia's Article 51 legal justification for the invasion is a stretch at best, but that the US policy of unnecessary, aggressive NATO expansion [1] baited Putin into this war whereas he was very clear Ukrainian NATO membership was a red line for him. We also made no effort to encourage Ukraine to honor the Minsk accords which would have almost certainly prevented this. If Mexico was hostile and Ru…

>> he was very clear Ukrainian NATO membership was a red line for him Whereas in the free world, no one, not even Putin, should and absolutely will not have a say in other nations agreements, because that is a preposterous idea that no supporter of democracy would even consider to be a valid stance.

Unfortunately that's just not a standard that exists in reality. That's definitely not the policy of the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by cabirum »

alex-ant wrote: post #160
cabirum wrote: post #152

Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are blocked in Russia because they only allow pro-Ukraine narrative. The social platforms became weapons in this war. Anyone noticed they blocked accounts of most Russian media companies and news sources? Or users with "wrong" opinions are being shadow banned? Or Google deprioritised or excluded some Russian gov services (even non news)? Sorry, but unbiased sources do not exist. Free…

Currently Russia doesn't have a singe reliable news source. We all have seen the pro-Russian narrative - there's no war, we're not murdering the civilians, all Ukrainians are nazis developing bioweapons targeting "slav DNA" and to be delivered across the border by birds, etc. Those are not news. Needless to say that this propaganda also targets people in other countries with large ethnical Russian population, specifi…

However "unreliable" these news sources are, they present a different opinion that is being censored. And since there are just two sides in this war, you can only see just one side of a story.
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