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One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by older »

ShivShankaran wrote: post #264
older wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are blocked in Russia because they only allow pro-Ukraine narrative. This is demonstrably not true and easily disproved. All the official Russian accounts are on twitter and keep posting lies after lies, lately main topic is denial of massacre in Bucha. For example: https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/1510649349482635265

With the fog of war there has been more embellishments coming out of Ukraine than Russia. The tank running over, Ghost of kiev, shopping mall fiasco, snake island deaths, russian death squad (turned out to be ukranian border guards) , ukraine claiming russians bombed babi yar.... Even with maternity hospital bombing, the women in photographs said that the Ukranian army had occupied the hospital and forced them out of…

What is all this random stuff you have written here has to do with the fact that the other poster lied about twitter not allowing russian propaganda?

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by richardsocher »

wanda wrote: post #53
toxik wrote: post #24

The dream of the internet as some sort of great democratizing force is already dead and buried, but for any who still believes, this must surely be the final nail in that coffin. Controlling the narrative is only a problem for existing democracies with press freedom. All bets are off once the threat model includes control of the media. So cherish your freedom of speech, and exercise and defend it. I don’t know what t…

I wouldn't be so hasty to call time of death on the internet. We are all of us here discussing this matter, after all. More significantly, controlling the narrative is not new. The Cold War was a narrative war, each side warning their citizens of the dangers of the other, and that even the ideas from across the seas were virulent and treasonous. World War II was a war that featured a huge amount of propaganda, and wh…

That was a very thoughtful post. You bring up many reasons for why we started https://you.com - to have less junk, more control over one's sources, no ads, less engagement loops that you see on social media and Google, etc.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

qaq wrote: post #159
bduerst wrote: post #150

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TikTok doesn't even exist in China. The parent Bytedance does, and their Chinese equivalent is Taiotao. Even the TikTok data servers exist in South Korea. This is an important distinction because there has been zero proof that TikTok is spying or is a tool for China, despite clickbait articles, memes, and accusations existing. This is the first time TikTok is being used observed to be used for government political ce…

China has being pushing Russian narratives on the war internally in state media. So I think you might be disproving the "is not a tool for China" part.

I think the assumption was that it spies on users or does something more interesting that just pedestrial propaganda

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

htrp wrote: post #72
antattack wrote: post #48

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It's a social media app. No one should expect news or hard facts from tik-tok. With that said - it would interesting so see what tik-tok looks like in China. Based on reports, Russian invasion is also heavily censored in China[0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf55gMvwc00

Except for a certain demographic (somewhere around 22 and under), TikTok is news, entertainment, TV, and Socialization

Kids have tictoc while the geneatrics have fox news

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by rvp-x »

pjc50 wrote: post #66
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #13

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Wait, do you really think residents of a city 80 km away, one that they used to commute to for groceries and stuff, get their news from Tik Tok ? How out of touch are you? For God's sake, they can practically see Kharkiv out of their window!

You can't see 80km from the ground, and it's on the other side of a closed international border and the war itself . Residents of Belgorod can have little to no idea what's happening in Kharkiv other than the news. Well, that and the gigantic explosion of the local oil depot. Heck, in many places around the world people get most local news from social media apps.

I've heard explosions similarly far away (although it was at the coast and in an unusually quiet place). Explosions in the air travel really far. And every time I heard explosions so far I looked at the news/social media.

In one of these incidents the news article seemed like it might be a coverup to me so I looked up user forums in case someone leaked the real information.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by startoffs »

yywwbbn wrote: post #212
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #191

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Seriously? Imagine an alternate universe where Canada and USA went to war. Do you really think that people in Seattle would have to depend on German social media apps to figure out what goes on in Vancouver while it's being bombed? Seriously?

What would the alternative be if US banned all independent media sources (like Russia did)?

US has done it's fair share of banning . Trump even tried to ban TikTok.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by [deleted] »

ShivShankaran wrote: post #266
bacan wrote: post #219

This is exactly what happens when algorithms tailor what people see on their newsfeed. They will push narratives. One of the main reasons I prefer Reddit is the existence of r/All. Provides a very balanced view

reddit is one of the absolutely most gamed social media on the internet. Don't forget that the "head of content" that was hired few years back is from NATO with no technical background. Reddit is on harcore mode right now deleting entire subreddits and permabanning people that even slightly critique NATO or Ukraine. /r/all is nauseatingly full of "russia bad, ukraine good" with mindless flinging of feces. Yall be bla…

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Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by dundarious »

KarlKemp wrote: post #279
qiskit wrote: post #278

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> The BBC funding is primarily through TV licensing fees, so it's essentially an optional tax. That's a long-winded and highly convoluted way of saying government funded. You have to admire the BBC. They've done such a good job brainwashing people that they jump through all kinds of hoops to hide the fact that the BBC is government funded state propaganda. BBC is what RT aspires to be one day.

No, see, that's but one example of how your unwillingness or inability to accept any complexity or nuance gets in the way of thinking. The TV license system is set up specifically so that the institution is somewhat isolated from day-to-day politics. It's a completely different situation if the PM can decide on a whim to fund you or not, or if there's a difficult-to-change law that sets the fees that you get for a de…

The license fee is likely to be scrapped in 2027: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-60014514. Alternative funding is almost certainly going to carry significant strings (either from advertisers or more direct control from government officials).

Arguably there has been a multi-decade push to extinguish the institution altogether, or at least to drastically shrink it and simultaneously bring it under more rigid government control. The trend towards official state broadcaster and away from public interest broadcaster has been ongoing for many many years.

I think the BBC is not exactly like RT in degree or in kind, but there is a definite trend towards its kind. It's also interesting to note that some of the official US complaints about RT influence on US public opinion are based on RT platforming legitimate social critics in the US. Dissidents for thee but not for me.

Re: One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine

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Post by [deleted] »

stickfigure wrote: post #221
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #191

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Seriously? Imagine an alternate universe where Canada and USA went to war. Do you really think that people in Seattle would have to depend on German social media apps to figure out what goes on in Vancouver while it's being bombed? Seriously?

If, in this alternate universe, Americans have no free press and live in fear of men with guns showing up on their doorstep and hauling them away, then - sure? Where else would they get news?

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