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How to work with me

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Re: How to work with me

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Post by dang »

burnished wrote: post #190
xanaxagoras wrote: post #83

If I received this I would do my best to steer clear of this person. Hopefully you put at least as much effort into acquiring social skills as telling people exactly how to communicate with you.

Did you even skim it? It starts with humility, shares that he believes his coworkers are vitally important and worthy of respect and support, then moves onto core values like empathy. Like, its a little awkward, but based on writing samples I'd rather work with this David guy than with you.

Please don't cross into personal attack. You can make your substantive points without that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: How to work with me

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Post by dang »

xanaxagoras wrote: post #83

If I received this I would do my best to steer clear of this person. Hopefully you put at least as much effort into acquiring social skills as telling people exactly how to communicate with you.

Please don't cross into personal attack. You can make your substantive points without that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: How to work with me

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

dang wrote: post #208
kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #28

Cool, and then let's make it harassment to ignore the instructions in somebodies user manual (not just ignoring their pronoun preference), so everybody has to learn the user manual of all their colleagues by heart.

Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: since you have a long history of doing this and are continuing to break the site guidelines, I've banned the account.

People attack me, and you ban me. Classy as always. I even took the time to patiently explain what I meant, except for the one guy who was just spouting insults. Even to him I merely explained that he doesn't understand what I meant.

How is that "taking threads into flamewar hell"?

How many threads did you have to go back in my timeline to make the claim that I "always do that"? I clicked several pages and found nothing, even defending your own Sam Altman from insults in one of them.

Re: How to work with me

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

dang wrote: post #208
kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #28

Cool, and then let's make it harassment to ignore the instructions in somebodies user manual (not just ignoring their pronoun preference), so everybody has to learn the user manual of all their colleagues by heart.

Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: since you have a long history of doing this and are continuing to break the site guidelines, I've banned the account.

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Re: How to work with me

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Post by dang »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #213
dang wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: since you have a long history of doing this and are continuing to break the site guidelines, I've banned the account.

People attack me, and you ban me. Classy as always. I even took the time to patiently explain what I meant, except for the one guy who was just spouting insults. Even to him I merely explained that he doesn't understand what I meant. How is that "taking threads into flamewar hell"? How many threads did you have to go back in my timeline to make the claim that I "always do that"? I clicked several pages and found noth…

I banned you for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop, in the light of your long history of breaking the site guidelines, ignoring our requests to stop, and getting banned for it.

None of that depends on what other people did, though you're certainly right that they shouldn't have attacked you (and we'll ban them, too, if they keep posting like that).

If you don't want to be banned, it's not that hard to read the guidelines and follow them. The vast majority of users here manage that just fine.

I don't want to get locked into hostility here! It's nothing personal, and if you genuinely want to use HN as intended, there are always ways to correct the situation. We just need reason to believe that you do in fact want to use HN as intended and that the pattern of breaking the guidelines won't keep happening in the future.

Re: How to work with me

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Post by burnished »

dang wrote: post #211
burnished wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even skim it? It starts with humility, shares that he believes his coworkers are vitally important and worthy of respect and support, then moves onto core values like empathy. Like, its a little awkward, but based on writing samples I'd rather work with this David guy than with you.

Please don't cross into personal attack. You can make your substantive points without that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You're right, I'll do better. Thanks dang!

Re: How to work with me

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Post by davidbauer »

ahultgren wrote: post #113

Hey, David! I'm surprised by how many people seem to be confused or irritated by you sharing this. I'm imagining that some people are hearing a demand that they have to read it, and then they're obliged to do as you prefer. And I also see you replying with a cheerful "Thanks!" to comments which I find myself judging as discompassionate. That inspires me. So I just wanted to say that it seems to me like you really val…

Thanks. That is an accurate reflection, yes. I learned a lot from the fact that when I shared it in my personal network — with people who know me (some of which have worked with me before) — reactions were much more positive. So yeah, that much for me valuing context awareness :-) I've made some significant changes to the document based on the feedback I got here, and I think it now reflects better what my intentions were, even for people who have little to no context about it.

Re: How to work with me

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

dang wrote: post #215
kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People attack me, and you ban me. Classy as always. I even took the time to patiently explain what I meant, except for the one guy who was just spouting insults. Even to him I merely explained that he doesn't understand what I meant. How is that "taking threads into flamewar hell"? How many threads did you have to go back in my timeline to make the claim that I "always do that"? I clicked several pages and found noth…

I banned you for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop, in the light of your long history of breaking the site guidelines, ignoring our requests to stop, and getting banned for it. None of that depends on what other people did, though you're certainly right that they shouldn't have attacked you (and we'll ban them, too, if they keep posting like that). If you don't want to be banne…

I did nothing that is against the guidelines, and you did not repeatedly ask me to stop whatever (I honestly don't even know what you mean). I think you are just projecting something.

I did nothing in this thread that is against the guidelines whatsoever. And not in my previous comments, either.

The only thing I did I guess is to voice an opinion or inconvenient truth that you personally don't like. I can see no other explanation for it.

Perhaps it is the comment on the "personal pronouns", because you belong to the group of people pushing that new ideology. But I did not even say you should not indulge people's request for their pronouns, just that people should not be forced to use them against their own convictions. As I explained, there is a clear analogy to the pronouns issue from the "personal manual", that is why I chose to mention it, because it is a well known issue.

Honestly, I just don't know what personal issue you seem to have with me.

Re: How to work with me

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Post by davidbauer »

karmelapple wrote: post #137
davidbauer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tongue-in-cheek title aside, I really do believe that it's helpful if a lot of people do write down some sort of user manual for themselves. These can be a great starting point for having conversations on how to best work together and spot potential areas of conflict in advance. In no way should these be seen as dictating the rules.

Based on the comments here, I don't think people are getting much cheekiness from the title. As I mentioned in another comment, it might be useful to change the name, since I think a lot of people are seeing "How to work with me" as a pretty direct command to "do these X things." And I don't think you intend that :)

I didn't, no. I have now changed the title to hopefully better convey what I intend the document to be about.

Re: How to work with me

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Post by dang »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #218
dang wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I banned you for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines and ignoring our requests to stop, in the light of your long history of breaking the site guidelines, ignoring our requests to stop, and getting banned for it. None of that depends on what other people did, though you're certainly right that they shouldn't have attacked you (and we'll ban them, too, if they keep posting like that). If you don't want to be banne…

I did nothing that is against the guidelines, and you did not repeatedly ask me to stop whatever (I honestly don't even know what you mean). I think you are just projecting something. I did nothing in this thread that is against the guidelines whatsoever. And not in my previous comments, either. The only thing I did I guess is to voice an opinion or inconvenient truth that you personally don't like. I can see no othe…

Surely you can see how "You are just completely clueless" (to pick one example) was against the site guidelines? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30853438

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's hard to think of a more obvious violation than that one. Moderating such comments has zero to do with your opinions. We don't know or care what your opinions are.

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