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Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by dwaltrip »

lopis wrote: post #128
servytor wrote: post #39

I have always thought it is hysterical that there are street drugs (MDMA, Ketamine) that have an immediate impact on emotions, yet the global medical establishment only supports drugs that take 2-4 weeks to 'kick in' with a very slight change that a substantial amount of patients do not even get. What is going on when we measure competency that way.

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but there's a difference between drugs that make you feel good by forcibly triggering your brain's happy paths for a few hours (often followed by severe depression of those paths), and therapies that try to jolt your brain into producing more happy-path-inducing chemicals naturally, without further assistance.

As evidenced by the article, under the right circumstances, these substances can actually help people in a serious way.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by tomatowurst »

noduerme wrote: post #45
refurb wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascinating how the 2020's is turning into a rerun of the 1960's-1970's: riots, rising oil prices, supply shocks, rising inflation and now the same "wild west" mentality about psychedelics that killed all legitimate research back then.

You forgot the crime wave. From 2003-2021 I kept my gun in a safe at night. Now I take it out and put it next to my bed. I haven't changed. My threat assessment has.

also gang culture. I recall in the 90s and early 00s, my classmates would suddenly break bad and join gangs. it was sort of the thing to do. it did make me feel a bt lonely since i was neither bad or good but im glad i stayed out of it. even by association you could be attacked but i was young.... seems like a lot of them were minors when they joined so their records were wiped clean....since they work in tech now

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by erdos4d »

I did this drug in Europe when I lived there, it was quite popular with the club crowd. I can definitely see how it could be therapeutic for people with PTSD and other psychological traumas. Hopefully this will lead to effective treatments and end the prohibition surrounding this and other psychedelic/psychoactive substances.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by vmception »

jychang wrote: post #34
vmception wrote: post #5

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Right, it should be sold next to the other poisonous stuff at the gas station that has disclaimers for the consumer to keep it away from children. The public itself needs to readjust its role with the government, where availability doesn't mean endorsement.

YOU might be an adult, but honestly in the past few years, it seems pretty clear that plenty of people who are age 18 or 21 or even age 40 can't seem to act like adults. And I say that as someone who is a proponent of MDMA legalization. It is well known that humans can't make rational choices. If refrigerators with CFCs were still legal to purchase alongside non-CFC refrigerators, I'd be willing to bet the ozone laye…

This doesn’t seem to change my point.

Lysol can kill you and all your children.

Mouthwash can.

And for something with more similarities: advil.

All sold in gas stations.

So, do the studies just so that we can have fine print on the side of the bottle just like everything else, and sell it alongside everything else.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by jamal-kumar »

tomatowurst wrote: post #140
sva_ wrote: post #32

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That's... Disturbing. I'm surprised I didn't hear about this before. Honestly, fuck those people.

me too i was going to sign up for this but now im really afraid now. damn i was really looking forward to MDMA therapy to deal with PTSD stuff there needs to be harsh consequences and strong regulation. make sure people are going to trained and licensed practioners who will agree to recorded footage.

Consider doing the drug solo or at a party with trusted friends first and then trying integration therapy. The truth is most professional (ideally accredited, so shit like this doesn't happen) facilitators aren't going to give you the stuff themselves because they aren't licensed to.

I think that's about to radically change in Canada without a lot of radical change in who gets to be a therapist or counsellor and that's pretty troubling, but so are a lot of really weird oversights in that country

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by renewiltord »

awb wrote: post #23
renewiltord wrote: post #20

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Huh, that’s pretty much rape, no? He (not depicted in video but described in text) had sexual intercourse with the person in his care while the patient was on MDMA. Homie that is not kosher at all. That is sexual assault. I am a huge fan of these drugs but this part of the world’s shame and puritan culture really shows this unexpected effect: it is not sufficient for something to be pleasant. It also has to be “medic…

> He (not depicted in video but described in text) had sexual intercourse with the person in his care while the patient was on MDMA. It sounds like there was “intimate contact” during the session (maybe the spooning?) but the sex was not during the session. Still massively not OK. > Yensen has admitted to having sex with Buisson after the experimental sessions ended but while she was still enrolled in the clinical tr…

Thanks for that correction. Still totally horrible but not as bad as what I said it was.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by sjburt »

clsec wrote: post #115
BossingAround wrote: post #24

If you're interested in MDMA sessions, and specifically MAPS (the pharma company that runs the trials), you might want to listen to the Cover story podcast, which deals with the MDMA/psylocybin culture of California as well as these trials. The first episode is at [1], the first episode dealing with maps is at [2]. These rape allegations are highly disconcerting and disheartening. [1] https://www.thecut.com/2021/11/c…

MAPS is not a pharmaceutical company! MAPS stands for Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. It is a non-profit 501(c)(3). https://maps.org/about-maps/

Agreed that they are not a pharmaceutical company, but the Phase 3 trial is being sponsored by MAPS PBC which is the for-profit subsidiary and I assume has some sort of revenue motive.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by jamal-kumar »

pmoriarty wrote: post #9
jamal-kumar wrote: post #3

After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

From MAPS's comments on the Yensen/Dryer case: "Updated announcement March 25, 2022 This a public announcement of additional information obtained regarding the conduct of former sub-investigators for a MAPS-sponsored clinical trial, initially publicly reported in 2019. We make this information public as part of our commitment to creating a culture of safety in psychedelic therapy and in alignment with our core value…

For my part I think they do really important work and that while some of the culpability lies on them not doing the trial in a part of the world where counsellors and therapist are properly licensed for sure... This REALLY isn't the kind of lesson we should all be learning the hard way while people already suffering take the brunt of the impact. Hopefully it shines a light on the very real problem of how incredibly messed up the mental health care framework in parts of Canada is.

Hopefully nobody thinks that therapists and counsellors without a properly regulatory framework in place aren't doing shady practices like this even without the drugs.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by jamal-kumar »

throwaway995566 wrote: post #116
kilroy123 wrote: post #87

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Interesting. So you just laid there listening to music? No talking? No physical contact with anyone?

Yes, that’s right. The guide was available if I needed anything but other than using the bathroom once a few hours in I just laid there. I should note that everyone’s journeys are different, and even for a single person no journey will be the same as the last. But my experience at least demonstrated the power of MDMA to serve as a healing substance when used with a particular intention and in a particular setting. Th…

Yeah, that's the approach I'm hearing the most positive reviews about - Taking it alone and leaving the therapist to talk about it after, hence the integration

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by jamal-kumar »

emteycz wrote: post #40
jamal-kumar wrote: post #3

After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

> For that to happen in this environment, under far more scrutiny than the substance will ever again be under, is extremely troubling What? A therapist molested a drugged person and they blame the drug ? Wtf?

The biggest thing to me is the total lack of accreditation necessary in order to become a 'therapist' or 'counsellor' in the province this happened in

therapist... the rapist... what's the fucking difference it's BC haha

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