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California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by JetAlone »

jamal-kumar wrote: post #3

After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

Drug 'em up, mask 'em up, make 'em face their darkest fears.

That's the enduring pattern of a lot of "coming of age" initiation rituals across many different cultures. I'm not shocked to see this is the approach an unaccredited drum-beatin' hippie looking couple in beautiful British Columbia tried to carry out.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by sva_ »

jamal-kumar wrote: post #3

After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

That's... Disturbing. I'm surprised I didn't hear about this before.

Honestly, fuck those people.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by JetAlone »

s5300 wrote: post #19
adflux wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I hate to post a comment like this on HN, but since I can’t downvote… Did you… actually read the article? Like, at all?

Sometimes someone needs to say it. Someone else seconded it, and I'll happily third. Let's get druggie rapists the hell out of our medical systems.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by jychang »

vmception wrote: post #5
abledon wrote: post #2

I don't think this stuff should be sold, say, in a gas station beside the humpty dumpty peanuts... but it does have its place. The mental health epidemic for returning veterans for example[1]: "More than 45,000 veterans and active-duty service members have killed themselves in the past six years. That is more than 20 deaths a day — in other words, __more suicides each year than the total American military deaths in A…

Right, it should be sold next to the other poisonous stuff at the gas station that has disclaimers for the consumer to keep it away from children. The public itself needs to readjust its role with the government, where availability doesn't mean endorsement.

YOU might be an adult, but honestly in the past few years, it seems pretty clear that plenty of people who are age 18 or 21 or even age 40 can't seem to act like adults. And I say that as someone who is a proponent of MDMA legalization.

It is well known that humans can't make rational choices. If refrigerators with CFCs were still legal to purchase alongside non-CFC refrigerators, I'd be willing to bet the ozone layer would probably not exist right now. If leaded gasoline wasn't basically banned, I bet plenty of people will still drive around using leaded gasoline.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by taurath »

novok wrote: post #27
cupcake-unicorn wrote: post #10

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Gave you an upvote. CBT has done so much damage and really is a step backwards for those with trauma. It's ridiculous how all the knowledge we have about trauma still hasn't hit the mainstream psychiatric institution yet and 9 out of 10 times with the average provider it comes down to "Have you tried CBT?" versus trauma informed treatments that actually work (somatic therapy, IFS, EMDR, ketamine/psychedelics, stellat…

CBT and meds are insurance friendly. Even if therapists don't like it, they're basically forced into it by the system, otherwise payments are more likely to get clawed back in an audit by the insurance company. And why does insurance like CBT and meds? CBT is time boxed in many ways and 'evidence based'. Psychoanalysis and other therapy types are effectively not, and insurance already doesn't like paying for mental h…

Evidence based but yet wholly ineffectual for so many. The medical model of mental health treatment is designed to treat symptoms not heal causes very often. That the causes are varied and treatments don’t scale as easy as a pharmaceutical manufacturing line doesn’t mean it’s not one of the more important pursuits medicine is trying to tackle. Hoping the current medical generation will continue to move away from the “chemical imbalance” theory of the past, of which there are far far too many practitioners out there holding onto ineffective treatments.

CBT still costs a LOT of money and time, so there is an incentive towards finding more effective treatments, but managing symptoms is in some ways more preferable because the medical system needs people to be “sick” or else a treatment might be seen by puritanical society as somehow indulgent or hedonistic. What if a “cure” involves taking significant time away from work to work through trauma? They might be better and more productive in the end than a stopgap treatment, but society can’t necessarily tolerate the idea.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by Dma54rhs »

jychang wrote: post #34
vmception wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, it should be sold next to the other poisonous stuff at the gas station that has disclaimers for the consumer to keep it away from children. The public itself needs to readjust its role with the government, where availability doesn't mean endorsement.

YOU might be an adult, but honestly in the past few years, it seems pretty clear that plenty of people who are age 18 or 21 or even age 40 can't seem to act like adults. And I say that as someone who is a proponent of MDMA legalization. It is well known that humans can't make rational choices. If refrigerators with CFCs were still legal to purchase alongside non-CFC refrigerators, I'd be willing to bet the ozone laye…

True, covid only proved the public health question can't be solved from the individualistic point of view. Many drugs have a big cost on society, not just individual who decides to take them.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by watwut »

jychang wrote: post #34
vmception wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, it should be sold next to the other poisonous stuff at the gas station that has disclaimers for the consumer to keep it away from children. The public itself needs to readjust its role with the government, where availability doesn't mean endorsement.

YOU might be an adult, but honestly in the past few years, it seems pretty clear that plenty of people who are age 18 or 21 or even age 40 can't seem to act like adults. And I say that as someone who is a proponent of MDMA legalization. It is well known that humans can't make rational choices. If refrigerators with CFCs were still legal to purchase alongside non-CFC refrigerators, I'd be willing to bet the ozone laye…

> YOU might be an adult, but honestly in the past few years, it seems pretty clear that plenty of people who are age 18 or 21 or even age 40 can't seem to act like adults.

That is because "acting like adult" is used as term of approval. It means "a theoretically ideal" behavior. It does not mean "average adult have that psychology" nor "average adult have that value".

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by servytor »

I have always thought it is hysterical that there are street drugs (MDMA, Ketamine) that have an immediate impact on emotions, yet the global medical establishment only supports drugs that take 2-4 weeks to 'kick in' with a very slight change that a substantial amount of patients do not even get. What is going on when we measure competency that way.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by emteycz »

jamal-kumar wrote: post #3

After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

> For that to happen in this environment, under far more scrutiny than the substance will ever again be under, is extremely troubling

What? A therapist molested a drugged person and they blame the drug? Wtf?

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