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California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by sonofhans »

taurath wrote: post #7
nyanpasu64 wrote: post #4

Will Complex PTSD patients be involved when developing and testing PTSD treatments?

Given the DSM keeps CPTSD out in the latest version 5, no. Frankly until it does mental healthcare in the US won’t move forward in a substantial way as they keep trying to treat people with trauma with CBT and medication. Still the PTSD dx works for those with CPTSD, so it’s not all lost. But it gets really tricky since so many diagnoses are almost subsumed with the concept of CPTSD. Extremely hopeful for MDMA therap…

Pete Walker echoes what you said:

“Renowned traumatologist, John Briere, is said to have quipped that if Complex PTSD were ever given its due – that is, if the role of dysfunctional parenting in adult psychological disorders was ever fully recognized, the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders used by all mental health professionals) would shrink to the size of a thin pamphlet.”. (http://www.pete-walker.com/fAQsComplexPTSD.html)

I take this as good news, also. CPTSD survivors need trust and safety over all other things, and properly-administered MDMA can be a shorter path to that.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by sonofhans »

cupcake-unicorn wrote: post #10
taurath wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the DSM keeps CPTSD out in the latest version 5, no. Frankly until it does mental healthcare in the US won’t move forward in a substantial way as they keep trying to treat people with trauma with CBT and medication. Still the PTSD dx works for those with CPTSD, so it’s not all lost. But it gets really tricky since so many diagnoses are almost subsumed with the concept of CPTSD. Extremely hopeful for MDMA therap…

Gave you an upvote. CBT has done so much damage and really is a step backwards for those with trauma. It's ridiculous how all the knowledge we have about trauma still hasn't hit the mainstream psychiatric institution yet and 9 out of 10 times with the average provider it comes down to "Have you tried CBT?" versus trauma informed treatments that actually work (somatic therapy, IFS, EMDR, ketamine/psychedelics, stellat…

Yes, exactly. CBT can easily be retraumatizing for CPTSD survivors. It’s so common for it to fall into symptom whack-a-mole rather than understanding the true arising of the disorder and a useful path to healing.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by kgwxd »

abledon wrote: post #2

I don't think this stuff should be sold, say, in a gas station beside the humpty dumpty peanuts... but it does have its place. The mental health epidemic for returning veterans for example[1]: "More than 45,000 veterans and active-duty service members have killed themselves in the past six years. That is more than 20 deaths a day — in other words, __more suicides each year than the total American military deaths in A…

> think of everybody else before self, to solve problems with lethal force if necessary.

What choice do you have if you become the problem for everybody else?

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by adflux »

s5300 wrote: post #6
jamal-kumar wrote: post #3

After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

Thanks for linking this. That is… really fucked up. Predators in the healthcare industry need to face serious punishment. Unfortunately, they largely don’t and get away with things.

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Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by throwaway684936 »

cupcake-unicorn wrote: post #10
taurath wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the DSM keeps CPTSD out in the latest version 5, no. Frankly until it does mental healthcare in the US won’t move forward in a substantial way as they keep trying to treat people with trauma with CBT and medication. Still the PTSD dx works for those with CPTSD, so it’s not all lost. But it gets really tricky since so many diagnoses are almost subsumed with the concept of CPTSD. Extremely hopeful for MDMA therap…

Gave you an upvote. CBT has done so much damage and really is a step backwards for those with trauma. It's ridiculous how all the knowledge we have about trauma still hasn't hit the mainstream psychiatric institution yet and 9 out of 10 times with the average provider it comes down to "Have you tried CBT?" versus trauma informed treatments that actually work (somatic therapy, IFS, EMDR, ketamine/psychedelics, stellat…

CBT is very neurotypical-centric. Hate it.

CBT by itself is inappropriately prescribed as a comprehensive treatment plan for ADHD-related insomnia when there's little evidence for its efficacy compared to CBT for other insomnias.

And don't get me started on CBT and autism.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by pmoriarty »

adflux wrote: post #14
s5300 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for linking this. That is… really fucked up. Predators in the healthcare industry need to face serious punishment. Unfortunately, they largely don’t and get away with things.

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"The clips culminate with Buisson struggling and wailing as Yensen uses his entire body to pin her to the bed and Dryer holds a towel in her mouth."

That is not enjoyment, not consensual, and not ethical.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by nerdponx »

vmception wrote: post #5
abledon wrote: post #2

I don't think this stuff should be sold, say, in a gas station beside the humpty dumpty peanuts... but it does have its place. The mental health epidemic for returning veterans for example[1]: "More than 45,000 veterans and active-duty service members have killed themselves in the past six years. That is more than 20 deaths a day — in other words, __more suicides each year than the total American military deaths in A…

Right, it should be sold next to the other poisonous stuff at the gas station that has disclaimers for the consumer to keep it away from children. The public itself needs to readjust its role with the government, where availability doesn't mean endorsement.

This doesn't work with alcohol or nicotine. Why should it work with MDMA?

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by scyzoryk_xyz »

adflux wrote: post #14
s5300 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for linking this. That is… really fucked up. Predators in the healthcare industry need to face serious punishment. Unfortunately, they largely don’t and get away with things.

Quoted post unavailable.

“Enjoying it” isn’t a therapeutic effect in itself.

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by s5300 »

adflux wrote: post #14
s5300 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for linking this. That is… really fucked up. Predators in the healthcare industry need to face serious punishment. Unfortunately, they largely don’t and get away with things.

Quoted post unavailable.

I hate to post a comment like this on HN, but since I can’t downvote…

Did you… actually read the article? Like, at all?

Re: California study begins screening for MDMA-assisted therapy for PTSD

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Post by renewiltord »

jamal-kumar wrote: post #3

After this whole debacle in Canada [1] where two therapists were doing some downright freaky cuddle puddle from hell with a blindfold on a traumatized person, I am more curious about what they're doing to screen the therapists. These people hardly met the guidelines that MAPS set for therapy, and as described quite ridiculously violated people's well being instead. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/…

Huh, that’s pretty much rape, no? He (not depicted in video but described in text) had sexual intercourse with the person in his care while the patient was on MDMA. Homie that is not kosher at all. That is sexual assault.

I am a huge fan of these drugs but this part of the world’s shame and puritan culture really shows this unexpected effect: it is not sufficient for something to be pleasant. It also has to be “medically necessary”.

The outcome is we get a bunch of things showing that these things are medically necessary. “There is some evidence that X helps Y”. Dude, with the current standard of science I can do that for arbitrary X and Y.

And you know what, the truth is that people heal and recover in all sorts of ways. But that’s not enough for us. We need to place everyone under the control of these gatekeepers. And then we find ourselves horrified at the outcome of the machine we have built where the power hungry abuse their power.

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