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Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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When I was a kid, we lived in a village in northeastern Slovakia. On the hill above the village there was a farm with a big herd of cows. And every morning at around 5, a tractor would bring a few dozen litres of milk down to a small shack just by our house. People were usually waiting in line already, in a room that stank of rancid milk, to get a liter or two. When we brought the milk home, we'd pour a cup and let i…

It’s amazing that in a supposedly science-driven forum, an entire set of comments can imply that pasteurization, one of humanity’s great accomplishments, is a folly. People die from drinking raw milk. It is genuinely a risky thing to do. Not everyone will die but enough that society should work hard to limit it as much as possible.

Are you calling hacker news a science-driven forum? It was created by venture capitalists for venture capitalists and their employees.

I don’t mean this in a negative way. HN is what it is and I love it. But don’t confuse it with a scientific journal.

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Raw milk was an issue in California in the 1990s. AltaDena Dairy wanted to sell raw milk. With enough testing, and no cheating, it can work. Usually. But the state finally mandated pasteurization.

The "all natural" crowd supported them.

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Are baby calves coming down with Salmonella or E Coli poisoning all the time? It seems reasonable that the risk is not in consumption, but letting the raw milk sit around for any length of time. If anyone knows why, I would be curious to hear.

Have you seen the conditions that cattle are kept in on modern farms in the US? They're pumped full of antibiotics and some still die from the terrible conditions.

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Are baby calves coming down with Salmonella or E Coli poisoning all the time? It seems reasonable that the risk is not in consumption, but letting the raw milk sit around for any length of time. If anyone knows why, I would be curious to hear.

That's probably why. People don't generally nurse cows to drink milk, it is put into containers where they will be exposed to the elements somewhat.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steak is the classic option in American cuisine, but in Germany (and some other countries), raw mince is a sandwich topping that you can buy from the butcher ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett ). Obviously you've got to eat it fresh, but it's not all that bad.

You were quicker with your response than I was ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30809570 ), I concede defeat :D But in my defense, I got sidetracked googling pictures of Mettigel.

A completely understandable defence! ;)

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It's just a forum. People share science AND personal stories.

“I did this and was fine. Therefore I think it is fine” is half of these stories. It is of course possible to say “I was fine but probably was lucky”, which is at least acknowledging that food science is a thing and probably closer to the truth than your singular personal experience. GP is pointing out that people take personal stories and turn them into some science-sounding conclusion. If the internet existed in th…

I'm seeing "it was fine for me", nobody recommending that raw milk is a good and healthy choice...

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I put raw cream in my coffee daily, but don’t have the balls to drink raw milk. That said, it makes fantastic yogurt. I don’t really understand the concept of illegal raw milk though. Why can’t people consume raw milk if they want? If anything, make it illegal to feed to children (except of course, raw breast milk!!)

I’m just catching up on this, can someone explain to me what happens if you drink raw milk? Edit: thanks for the answers everyone. My mum’s a dairy farmer and so was I during my high school weekends. My family’s been drinking raw milk for the past 20 or so years. So it’s interesting to know what scary stuff is out there lurking and that a debate has formed around something I had grown to normalize. Tb is obviously a…

The wiki on Pasteurization is a real page turner!

> Prior to industrialization, dairy cows were kept in urban areas to limit the time between milk production and consumption, hence the risk of disease transmission via raw milk was reduced. As urban densities increased and supply chains lengthened to the distance from country to city, raw milk (often days old) became recognized as a source of disease. For example, between 1912 and 1937, some 65,000 people died of tuberculosis contracted from consuming milk in England and Wales alone. Because tuberculosis has a long incubation period in humans, it was difficult to link unpasteurized milk consumption with the disease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization#Milk

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I think it's a modern western cultural thing that everything that's more 'natural', 'untreated', 'non-GMO'... is automatically considered more healthy, see also antivaxxers etc. Without any evidence of course.

Further: see ‘raw water’. As far as I can tell it’s mostly high income earners who fall for these fads, outside of those stuck in the wilderness without treated water. It defies logic.

And if your want to see full crazy, check https://old.reddit.com/r/RawMeat/

> Vomit, diarrhea, coughing, sneezing, sweating, are all ways that the body expels toxins.

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Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

I think it's a modern western cultural thing that everything that's more 'natural', 'untreated', 'non-GMO'... is automatically considered more healthy, see also antivaxxers etc. Without any evidence of course.

It's like it stems from some sort of self-hatred, as if we have this belief deep down that we are wrong or corrupted and whatever we are not MUST be good.

These naturalistic fallacies are certainly a strange, ilogical thing, but one at the core belief of _many_ people. I wonder if it's a western thing though and if we don't find it in other cultures as well.

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Are baby calves coming down with Salmonella or E Coli poisoning all the time? It seems reasonable that the risk is not in consumption, but letting the raw milk sit around for any length of time. If anyone knows why, I would be curious to hear.

> Are baby calves coming down with Salmonella or E Coli poisoning all the time?

Yes, calves get neonatal salmonella infections.

Cows also have a ruminant digestive system, which handles things a little differently than a human's.

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