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Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by rndgermandude »

MrJohz wrote: post #46
throwawaylinux wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why were you eating raw meat, may I ask?

Steak is the classic option in American cuisine, but in Germany (and some other countries), raw mince is a sandwich topping that you can buy from the butcher ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett ). Obviously you've got to eat it fresh, but it's not all that bad.

You were quicker with your response than I was (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30809570), I concede defeat :D

But in my defense, I got sidetracked googling pictures of Mettigel.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by folli »

rupi wrote: post #83

Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

I think it's a modern western cultural thing that everything that's more 'natural', 'untreated', 'non-GMO'... is automatically considered more healthy, see also antivaxxers etc.

Without any evidence of course.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by mc32 »

folli wrote: post #92
rupi wrote: post #83

Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

I think it's a modern western cultural thing that everything that's more 'natural', 'untreated', 'non-GMO'... is automatically considered more healthy, see also antivaxxers etc. Without any evidence of course.

Further: see ‘raw water’. As far as I can tell it’s mostly high income earners who fall for these fads, outside of those stuck in the wilderness without treated water.

It defies logic.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by 29athrowaway »

rupi wrote: post #83

Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

Note that boiling is not the same as pasteurization.

Pasteurization involves heating but doesn't require boiling. You can pasteurize by heating to 73 degrees C for 25 seconds.

Boiling, in the case of milk, is heating it to its boiling point which is around 100.17 degrees C.

Boiling has a higher impact in the nutritional value of milk than pasteurization.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by smilespray »

29athrowaway wrote: post #94
rupi wrote: post #83

Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

Note that boiling is not the same as pasteurization. Pasteurization involves heating but doesn't require boiling. You can pasteurize by heating to 73 degrees C for 25 seconds. Boiling, in the case of milk, is heating it to its boiling point which is around 100.17 degrees C. Boiling has a higher impact in the nutritional value of milk than pasteurization.

They were using heat to neutralize germs. No need to be pedantic.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by stickfigure »

thehappypm wrote: post #73
ravenstine wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kept under-cooking burger patties to the point where they were still raw in the middle and thought "f** it" and ate them anyway. Then I moved on to eating straight raw meat for the novelty of it. I'm not sure that I'd eat raw pork, but supposedly today's regulations have mostly eliminated the possibility of trichinosis. Otherwise, I've found raw meat to be way less hazardous than I was lead to believe. I don't advo…

Rare burgers are really risky. Steaks are OK because there’s not usually bacteria within a cut of meat (at least not a rotten one). Ground beef is all surface area.

> Rare burgers are really risky.

How risky? Compare it to other risks we are commonly undertake, like driving. If you can't quantify risk, you're not providing a useful comment.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by bremac »

perlpimp wrote: post #84
elhudy wrote: post #21

I put raw cream in my coffee daily, but don’t have the balls to drink raw milk. That said, it makes fantastic yogurt. I don’t really understand the concept of illegal raw milk though. Why can’t people consume raw milk if they want? If anything, make it illegal to feed to children (except of course, raw breast milk!!)

I will try, generally if you have good diaries keeping their cow healthy happy and clean it is non issue, but interests of corporate mega producers they can't guarantee such thing at scale. So to protect them and people from them these laws are made kind of impossible triangle. You can't do raw milk at scale - so no one will be allowed to. Raw milk yogurt and cottage cheese is out of this world my mom(Russian) and fr…

> but interests of corporate mega producers they can't guarantee such thing at scale. So to protect them and people from them these laws are made kind of impossible triangle.

In North America, many of these laws were passed in the early part of the 1900s [1]. I don't think that were very many mega producers at the time, though I'd love to be proven wrong.

Also in my experience it's really hard to avoid contamination. My family farm works hard to keep their cows healthy, happy, and clean, and still has occasional issues with high somatic cell counts in their milk. It doesn't help that cows will (rarely) decide to release their bowels while you're milking them...

[1] https://www.marlerblog.com/lawyer-oped/a-legal-history-of-ra...

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by noobermin »

29athrowaway wrote: post #94
rupi wrote: post #83

Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

Note that boiling is not the same as pasteurization. Pasteurization involves heating but doesn't require boiling. You can pasteurize by heating to 73 degrees C for 25 seconds. Boiling, in the case of milk, is heating it to its boiling point which is around 100.17 degrees C. Boiling has a higher impact in the nutritional value of milk than pasteurization.

It isn't, but it's better than drinking milk raw.

Re: Lawmakers Drink Raw Milk to Celebrate Legality, Become Immediately Sick (2016)

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Post by [deleted] »

29athrowaway wrote: post #94
rupi wrote: post #83

Growing up in a village in India, we only ever bought raw milk because there was no packaged milk available. Everyone had a deal with a local farmer. Every morning or evening, we would walk over to the farmer's house, pick up our milk and bring it home. My family in India (and the whole village) still does that. And this is where the similarity ends. The first thing my mom (and everyone else) did is to boil the milk…

Note that boiling is not the same as pasteurization. Pasteurization involves heating but doesn't require boiling. You can pasteurize by heating to 73 degrees C for 25 seconds. Boiling, in the case of milk, is heating it to its boiling point which is around 100.17 degrees C. Boiling has a higher impact in the nutritional value of milk than pasteurization.

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