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Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by thelettere »

tremon wrote: post #103
thelettere wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's been such heart damage to athletes that caught it, how come they all are invariably coming back to the same exact performance they had previously? Is there such a thing as damage to the heart that has no effect on performance, particularly the incredibly demanding kinds of performances that sports like professional basketball require?

Some cyclists even survive cancer, and then come back to a higher level of performance than they had previously. Does that mean there is such a thing as a cancer that has a positive effect on athletic performance? To keep on the topic of cyclists: Tim DeClerq - out for months after being diagnosed with pericarditis after Covid infection. Sonny Colbrelli - suffered cardiac arrest yesterday after his race, two months a…

Again, the article is not about the immediate aftermath but one year later (i.e. long term effects). And Sonny Colbrelli was a freak incident - "All cardiac tests carried out last night showed no signs of concern or compromised functions." https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/22/italian-cyclis...

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Post by xorfish »

jdmichal wrote: post #48
xorfish wrote: post #40

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The increased risk affects everyone, even if the risk doesn't materialize for everyone.

"At increased risk for being at increased risk" is theoretically meaningful, but practically nonsensical unless you can tell which group someone falls into. If you can't, you may as well collapse all the probability into either being at increased risk or not.

You have no way of knowing if the increased risk materializes for you.

Saying that playing russian roulette doesn't affect you if you don't get the bullet is nonsensical.

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Post by Fargoan »

melling wrote: post #76
Fargoan wrote: post #72

My friend died 2 days ago. Heart attack at 31 years old. He had some unhealthy eating habits, but nothing out of the ordinary and he was at most slightly overweight. I wouldn't be surprised if him having covid a couple months ago was a major factor in his death.

Was the person vaccinated? This was done before people were vaccinated so it’s unclear if being vaccinated helped: “THIS STUDY WAS DONE BEFORE VACCINATION WAS WIDELY AVAILABLE.”

He was vaccinated. Pfizer iirc. Not sure if he got a booster

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Post by Fargoan »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #96
Fargoan wrote: post #72

My friend died 2 days ago. Heart attack at 31 years old. He had some unhealthy eating habits, but nothing out of the ordinary and he was at most slightly overweight. I wouldn't be surprised if him having covid a couple months ago was a major factor in his death.

Young people who are seemingly healthy do die of heart attacks from time to time. This happened before Covid. If we're picking random things preceding his death, why not some other thing he did in the last couple of months? Why Covid?

Why covid? Because covid causes cardiovascular damage. Travis was seemingly at least as healthy as the average American. He was physically active, going to the gym a couple times a week. Played softball in the summers. 31 is so young. My layman's assessment of my friend's death is that stress, covid, genetics are probably the things that came together to suddenly end his life.

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Post by sjg007 »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #96
Fargoan wrote: post #72

My friend died 2 days ago. Heart attack at 31 years old. He had some unhealthy eating habits, but nothing out of the ordinary and he was at most slightly overweight. I wouldn't be surprised if him having covid a couple months ago was a major factor in his death.

Young people who are seemingly healthy do die of heart attacks from time to time. This happened before Covid. If we're picking random things preceding his death, why not some other thing he did in the last couple of months? Why Covid?

Because covid causes heart damage and is ubiquitous in the community.

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Post by Fargoan »

kortilla wrote: post #127
zzzeek wrote: post #122

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Try wearing an N95 mask, for starters

That doesn’t really work if people around you do not. One less trip out of your house so you only leave 4 times a week instead of 5 is several orders of magnitude better than going out with an N95 the 5 times. If you actually care about Covid the answer is to not leave the house. Putting an n95 on when the mandates are gone so nobody else is wearing one is just a religious act at this point.

Replace "N95" with "single layer cloth mask"

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Post by borkt »

dwaltrip wrote: post #102
margalabargala wrote: post #37

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> They found that even mild COVID damaged otherwise healthy people's hearts so badly that their risk for heart problems are now comparable to those of obese people. > In other words, it does damage your heart. That damage might result in a heart attack, reflected in the increased hazard ratio. This seems an inaccurate reading of what's in the study. They did not find that all people who had COVID had heart damage, wh…

Thanks for clarifying. What percentage of previously healthy people had heart damage from covid? Did they break this down by age and vaccination status?

Just one person but i was an early case (family member went to Wuhan 1-2 times each month. During the firsr year of COVID, as early as march of 2020, i had serious issues with gut and hearth inflamation - repeated bouts that started as back pain, became chest pain, elevated heart-rate to 150 for ~3 days at a time, 24 hours a day. Gradyally the episodes became less frequent leading up to a stroke type event co current with a presumed second bout of covid. Was forced back to work about a week after the issue, and the only other coworker who was near me contracted covid about 10 days later.

Following the Stroke type event I lost virtually all of my talent at writing, And ultimately my job, which was very humbling. Ive spent the past year working gig jobs when i can, and fortunately all long covid symptoms have gone away. I feel like my brain is close to 100% but i lack the confidence in myself, my memory, and my writing and am constantly second guessing myself and assume im wrong if in a contested discussion. It really sucks, yet im probably one of the lucky ones

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Post by cf141q5325 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #124
cf141q5325 wrote: post #105

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Thats not a realistic option for COVID and the vaccines we have for it. Its a leaky vaccine (meaning you still get sick and spread it just as much) and the reduced likelihood for infection is nowhere near enough to get R0 under 1. Especially with every mutation (delta, omicron ...) having higher R0

> Its a leaky vaccine (meaning you still get sick and spread it just as much) No vaccine is perfect, but it greatly reduces your chances of becoming infected.

Relative to somebody not vaccinated with the same NPI. Just look at any of those studies, they are almost exclusively done on hospital staff which have among the strictest NPI. Once you drop those the difference doesnt mean much. Especially with the new mutations.

So again, herd immunity is not an option for the current vaccines and variants of covid. This is not a controversial statement.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by cf141q5325 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #125
cf141q5325 wrote: post #110

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There is no indication that vaccination changes that. You still get it and and if i had to guess, lung antibodies will likely help as much for heart problems as they do for upper respiratory symptoms.

There's no indication either way because the reseach was done before widespread vaccination. > if i had to guess Your guesses are worthless (as are mine), unless you have some expertise. The last thing we need is more BS on the Internet about Coronavirus.

Even if it was that way, precautionary principle would still apply. Saying "nobody could have known" in a few years doesnt make your heart damage go away.

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Post by zzzeek »

kortilla wrote: post #127
zzzeek wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try wearing an N95 mask, for starters

That doesn’t really work if people around you do not. One less trip out of your house so you only leave 4 times a week instead of 5 is several orders of magnitude better than going out with an N95 the 5 times. If you actually care about Covid the answer is to not leave the house. Putting an n95 on when the mandates are gone so nobody else is wearing one is just a religious act at this point.

that's quite an exaggeration, and it hurts me personally to think that when I go out and im the only one wearing a mask, people are looking at me as though I'm engaged in a "religious act". For people who aren't immunocompromised, the N95 will grant a significant level of protection even if others aren't masked, especially if you're outdoors or in an otherwise well ventilated space, if you have short interactions from those who aren't masked and maintain distance, it all helps. obviously if I had my N95 and spent three hours in a crowded bar, that's a bit pointless, talking here about places that aren't tightly packed with non-masked people who are all talking 2 inches away from each other.

It is obviously not absolute protection and of course going nowhere at all is the best protection, but a properly worn N95 combined with up-to-date vaccination goes pretty far for someone who is fortunate enough to not be already immunocompromised and is fine avoiding places like concerts, clubs and bars.

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