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Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by EricE »

yosito wrote: post #17
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #14

I had chest pains for the first time in my life in 2021 and I’m in late 20’s. Doctor couldn’t find anything. Felt much better after a month. But it came back after getting a booster. I had COVID confirmed in 2020 with no such issues. For me, as far as i can tell, the chest pains are more correlated with the vaccinations. I’m rather grumpy at the idea of getting additional boosters.

I'm sorry you had that experience with vaccines. I know it won't make much difference to you personally, but the truth is that these sorts of chest pains and heart problems are far more common in immune-naive people who are infected with covid than in people who get vaccines.

Citation needed!

In fact, there is more and more data every day the EXACT opposite is true.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by EricE »

usefulcat wrote: post #41
the_doctah wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please knock it off with the "selfish" nonsense. Even if everyone got vaccinated, the virus would still get passed around. Then, when the next variant inevitably arises, and everyone's immunity wears off, we're back at square one. The anti-anti-vax crowd is just a walking meme at this point.

You have a valid point, but hospital beds are still a finite resource. So in that sense, yeah, it is selfish to not get vaccinated in the absence of other mitigating factors, since vaccination prevents hospitalization in a large majority of cases.

What's even more selfish is not treating COVID but just telling people to wait until it is bad enough to go into the hospital before doing anything, when we absolutely knew very early on that anyone going on a ventilator was essentially a 50/50 death sentence. Keeping everyone off of ventilators at all costs should have been the number one goal instead of futilely trying to stop the spread of a highly contagious arial virus that is in the same family as the common cold. I know few people who would think you were rational if you prescribed any of the COVID "solutions" to try to prevent cold viruses - yet somehow we were going to be effective with COVID?

What's beyond evil is demonizing any treatment other than vaccination - but that's still going on even today, as evidenced by posts like yours.

I got COVID and was (and still am) unvaccinated, yet I did not get anywhere near a hospital; and that is what happened to just about anyone who wasn't in one of the well known and well understood risk groups.

Treating everyone the same instead of focusing on those most at risk was and still is particularly dumb, but here we are with people like you still making completely baseless claims that are certainly not backed by any actual medical science.

Before baselessly judging everyone else as selfish you might want to spend more time looking in a mirror.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by cf141q5325 »

usefulcat wrote: post #41
the_doctah wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please knock it off with the "selfish" nonsense. Even if everyone got vaccinated, the virus would still get passed around. Then, when the next variant inevitably arises, and everyone's immunity wears off, we're back at square one. The anti-anti-vax crowd is just a walking meme at this point.

You have a valid point, but hospital beds are still a finite resource. So in that sense, yeah, it is selfish to not get vaccinated in the absence of other mitigating factors, since vaccination prevents hospitalization in a large majority of cases.

Does that cover risky behavior that could lead to hospitalization as well? Lets be honest, we did collect quite a bit of data over the pandemic years and your risk of hospitalization from COVID is not some random chance but determined by your state of health.

Differently put, i am having a hard time calling healthy teenagers selfish if nobody thinks about calling anyone with a still obese BMI after 2 years the same. Because to be perfectly blunt, looking at the numbers the later is a lot bigger of a problem then the former.

edit: In case anyone is skeptical about the giant impact obesity has, here the CDC numbers from last year https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/pdf/21_0123.pdf Figure 1 has leading underlying medical conditions. Hypertension, Lipid metabolism (cholesterol), obesity itself, diabetes and coronary atherosclerosis being the first 5. Table 1 has the numbers of hospitalized. ~95% had two or more on the list.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by melling »

Fargoan wrote: post #72

My friend died 2 days ago. Heart attack at 31 years old. He had some unhealthy eating habits, but nothing out of the ordinary and he was at most slightly overweight. I wouldn't be surprised if him having covid a couple months ago was a major factor in his death.

Was the person vaccinated? This was done before people were vaccinated so it’s unclear if being vaccinated helped:

“THIS STUDY WAS DONE BEFORE VACCINATION WAS WIDELY AVAILABLE.”

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by PierceJoy »

EricE wrote: post #71
yosito wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry you had that experience with vaccines. I know it won't make much difference to you personally, but the truth is that these sorts of chest pains and heart problems are far more common in immune-naive people who are infected with covid than in people who get vaccines.

Citation needed! In fact, there is more and more data every day the EXACT opposite is true.

You demand citations from the parent, and then immediately make an opposing claim without providing any citations.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by stjohnswarts »

Fargoan wrote: post #72

My friend died 2 days ago. Heart attack at 31 years old. He had some unhealthy eating habits, but nothing out of the ordinary and he was at most slightly overweight. I wouldn't be surprised if him having covid a couple months ago was a major factor in his death.

Seems unlikely. Usually something as drastic as a heart attack at a young age like that is linked to genetics.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by usefulcat »

EricE wrote: post #73
usefulcat wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a valid point, but hospital beds are still a finite resource. So in that sense, yeah, it is selfish to not get vaccinated in the absence of other mitigating factors, since vaccination prevents hospitalization in a large majority of cases.

What's even more selfish is not treating COVID but just telling people to wait until it is bad enough to go into the hospital before doing anything, when we absolutely knew very early on that anyone going on a ventilator was essentially a 50/50 death sentence. Keeping everyone off of ventilators at all costs should have been the number one goal instead of futilely trying to stop the spread of a highly contagious aria…

What I'm saying is that maybe some people who have been hospitalized due to covid wouldn't be in the hospital if they had gotten vaccinated.

Hospital beds are not an unlimited resource, and there are plenty of other conditions apart from covid that may also require hospitalization.

I genuinely fail to see what is unreasonable, selfish or factually wrong about any of the above statements.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by tui_smuggler »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #14

I had chest pains for the first time in my life in 2021 and I’m in late 20’s. Doctor couldn’t find anything. Felt much better after a month. But it came back after getting a booster. I had COVID confirmed in 2020 with no such issues. For me, as far as i can tell, the chest pains are more correlated with the vaccinations. I’m rather grumpy at the idea of getting additional boosters.

Same for me (30), second dose gave me chest pains for 4/5 days. Doc did the standard checks and came back with nothing. First time I have ever experienced anything like this. I will not be ever injecting myself with another rna based "vaccine" again.
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