Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did they know they were previously healthy? Did they have pre-infection health screens?
Yes, they were all vets in the VA system so their pre-infection health had been documented.
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Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins
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Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're expected to take simple, cheap precautions, proportionate to the expected consequences. You're also expected to not take what you think is the best case scenario, and extrapolate that it's the scenario that we are actually in.
One cannot live in 2022 without catching covid, the level of precautions I would have to take to avoid it would be extreme and damage my quality of life and probably my mental health. I've definitely had it once, likely twice, just doing basic things exposes me to it now, so what can I do?
Try wearing an N95 mask, for starters
Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this post lacks an understanding of heart conditions. You can have an enlarged heart or other heart issues and still be a professional athlete. Ask Reggie Lewis. It took Jason Tatum many months to get back to some kind of playing condition after he contracted Covid, etc. https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/celtics-star-jayson...
Yeah and he just won eastern conference player of the month. Article makes it sound like he's at risk of any game now dropping down with a heart attack, which on the face of it is ridiculous. Exceptions do not contradict the rule - athletes in high demanding sports rarely have heart problems, and the idea that they are at equal risk than the gen pop is laughable.
But he only got back to being his pre-COVID self the last couple of months. Prior to that, he wasn't playing that well at all.
As a long time Celtics fan, there were games when he was close to normal and many other games where he just looked out of it.
Bottom line: he didn't just bounce back immediately after having Covid.
Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Even if everyone got vaccinated, the virus would still get passed around. That's not necessarily true. The virus needs to spread faster than it dies (look up the R value). Vaccines have eliminated other diseases, such as small pox.
Thats not a realistic option for COVID and the vaccines we have for it. Its a leaky vaccine (meaning you still get sick and spread it just as much) and the reduced likelihood for infection is nowhere near enough to get R0 under 1. Especially with every mutation (delta, omicron ...) having higher R0
> Its a leaky vaccine (meaning you still get sick and spread it just as much)
No vaccine is perfect, but it greatly reduces your chances of becoming infected.
Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think they are referring to the paper in the OP.
There is no indication that vaccination changes that. You still get it and and if i had to guess, lung antibodies will likely help as much for heart problems as they do for upper respiratory symptoms.
There's no indication either way because the reseach was done before widespread vaccination.
> if i had to guess
Your guesses are worthless (as are mine), unless you have some expertise. The last thing we need is more BS on the Internet about Coronavirus.
Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins
#126I had chest pains for the first time in my life in 2021 and I’m in late 20’s. Doctor couldn’t find anything. Felt much better after a month. But it came back after getting a booster. I had COVID confirmed in 2020 with no such issues. For me, as far as i can tell, the chest pains are more correlated with the vaccinations. I’m rather grumpy at the idea of getting additional boosters.
Sorry about the chest pain, but I don't think a guess that vaccines caused chest pains - something that many people have experienced long before Coronavirus and vaccines - informs the conversation.
Did the guys who did the study control for vaccination status? Seems very relevant to the conversation. It’s a proven fact a small portion of recipients experience heart issues after getting one of the mRNA vaccines.
Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
One cannot live in 2022 without catching covid, the level of precautions I would have to take to avoid it would be extreme and damage my quality of life and probably my mental health. I've definitely had it once, likely twice, just doing basic things exposes me to it now, so what can I do?
Try wearing an N95 mask, for starters
That doesn’t really work if people around you do not. One less trip out of your house so you only leave 4 times a week instead of 5 is several orders of magnitude better than going out with an N95 the 5 times.
If you actually care about Covid the answer is to not leave the house. Putting an n95 on when the mandates are gone so nobody else is wearing one is just a religious act at this point.
Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins
#128I had chest pains for the first time in my life in 2021 and I’m in late 20’s. Doctor couldn’t find anything. Felt much better after a month. But it came back after getting a booster. I had COVID confirmed in 2020 with no such issues. For me, as far as i can tell, the chest pains are more correlated with the vaccinations. I’m rather grumpy at the idea of getting additional boosters.
Same for me (30), second dose gave me chest pains for 4/5 days. Doc did the standard checks and came back with nothing. First time I have ever experienced anything like this. I will not be ever injecting myself with another rna based "vaccine" again.
I've had a similar experience... Long before COVID 19 existed. Stress remains a risk factor with a much higher prevalence than COVID or vaccine induced myocarditis
Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah and he just won eastern conference player of the month. Article makes it sound like he's at risk of any game now dropping down with a heart attack, which on the face of it is ridiculous. Exceptions do not contradict the rule - athletes in high demanding sports rarely have heart problems, and the idea that they are at equal risk than the gen pop is laughable.
But he only got back to being his pre-COVID self the last couple of months. Prior to that, he wasn't playing that well at all. As a long time Celtics fan, there were games when he was close to normal and many other games where he just looked out of it. Bottom line: he didn't just bounce back immediately after having Covid.
The article is about "one year later" - not "immediately after".
Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
If there's been such heart damage to athletes that caught it, how come they all are invariably coming back to the same exact performance they had previously? Is there such a thing as damage to the heart that has no effect on performance, particularly the incredibly demanding kinds of performances that sports like professional basketball require?
They haven't all. Look up Asia Durr if you want an anecdote. #2 draft pick for WBNA and hasn't played since her rookie season due to long haul covid effects. I am not aware of any study on covid in athletes in particular, though.
Huh, you've got to reach to the WNBA to find someone. Kinda proves my point.
Edit: And to all the wonderful people who no doubt checked themselves to make sure they had expertise on the subject before they downvoted my question (!), here's some food for thought:
A 2021 study of 789 professional athletes found that only 5 (0.6%) had heart inflammation. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/...
Another study found that COVID in athletes was rarely serious: "The severity of COVID-19 in elite athletes is predominantly mild and without complications. Athletes can return to sport after two symptom-free weeks and additional heart screening is usually not required." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S144024402...
2021 review of 12 studies: "Athletes have an overall low risk of SARS-CoV-2 pericardial/myocardial involvement, arrhythmias and SCA/SCD." https://bmjopensem.bmj.com/content/7/4/e001164.abstract
2022 editorial review: "Most importantly, to date, there have been no acute adverse cardiac events reported as a direct consequence of COVID-19 infection in the athletes included in these large registries" and noted that the few smaller studies that deviated from these findings were badly designed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8730531/
2022 study: "These data add to the growing body of the literature and agree with larger cohorts that the risk of cardiac involvement post-infection appears to be low among elite athletic and semi-professional athletic populations." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8791243/
2022 letter: "Several elite professional athletes tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. A few reports of persistent and residual symptoms of infections emerged. However, peak athletic performance in elite athletes did not seem to be affected, with some athletes recording historical performances both in the weeks following as well as several months after contracting the novel coronavirus.... These findings raise further awareness about the importance of performing regular physical activity and maintaining a favourable body composition and overall fitness, and emphasise the need for public health initiatives and actions to promote a healthy lifestyle on a population level." https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S14402...
The idea - however appealing to Americans and apparently hackers - that everyone is on an equal playing field of risk is absolute nonsense.