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Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by hedora »

wrs wrote: post #24
kragen wrote: post #11

A more accurate headline would be "it spares 93%–97% of people," though the interview meticulously omitted almost all quantifiable information. The hazard ratios in the paper smitty1110 cited https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3?s=08 are mostly 1.49–1.85, which as I understand it means that people with covid were 1½–2 times as likely to experience the condition, pericarditis or stroke or whatever, than…

The headline is badly phrased but I wouldn’t call it a “lie”. The intended interpretation is that significant long term risks were observed across the broad population, including otherwise healthy people. I perceive pretty widespread belief to the contrary right now, which could be dangerous for public health planning.

Future experimental vaccines could contain tracker chips and cause autism.

^--- also not a lie.

I'd expect John Hopkins to do better though.

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Post by wolverine876 »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #14

I had chest pains for the first time in my life in 2021 and I’m in late 20’s. Doctor couldn’t find anything. Felt much better after a month. But it came back after getting a booster. I had COVID confirmed in 2020 with no such issues. For me, as far as i can tell, the chest pains are more correlated with the vaccinations. I’m rather grumpy at the idea of getting additional boosters.

Sorry about the chest pain, but I don't think a guess that vaccines caused chest pains - something that many people have experienced long before Coronavirus and vaccines - informs the conversation.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by Retric »

TrevorJ wrote: post #70
Retric wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Increased incidence is evidence as is the known link between viral infections and heart problems. Suppose your car doesn’t start. That supports the possibility of a dead battery, it also supports broken wire or anything else that’s a possible cause. What it doesn’t support is your car being in proper working order. If your car doesn’t start and you haven’t used it in 2 months, well it could be something else but …

>Suppose your car doesn’t start. That supports the possibility of a dead battery, it also supports broken wire or anything else that’s a possible cause. What it doesn’t support is your car being in proper working order. Yes, these are hypotheses. But they are not meaningful in a scientific sense until you design a study and set about to try to disprove them. OP's claim was in relation to precisely what a scientific p…

It is the study’s author referring to damage, he wasn’t willing to say what kind.

“even in people who were previously healthy and had no risk factors or problems with the heart—COVID-19 affected them in such a way that manifested the higher risk of heart problems than people who did not get COVID-19.

It was really eye-opening that the risk was also evident in people who did not have severe COVID-19 that necessitated hospitalization or ICU care. People who got COVID-19 and were asymptomatic …

Why would SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID 19, which we all thought about as a respiratory virus, attack the heart up to a year down the road?”

I am sure the author would love to preform a more detailed study, but calling his conclusions unscientific seems to be overreaching.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by wolverine876 »

thelettere wrote: post #35
throwawaycities wrote: post #25

There was a lot of information coming out of college athletics early on consistent with the research in this article. Young, healthy athletes that were asymptomatic showed signs of inflammation in the heart. Since then there were follow up studies which were split in their findings. The early studies used MRI testing and suggested “high-risk” of heart damage/myocarditis in the athletes. Follow up studies tended not t…

If there's been such heart damage to athletes that caught it, how come they all are invariably coming back to the same exact performance they had previously? Is there such a thing as damage to the heart that has no effect on performance, particularly the incredibly demanding kinds of performances that sports like professional basketball require?

> how come they all are invariably coming back to the same exact performance they had previously?

What is that based on? It wouldn't be hard to study, given the statistics already available.

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Post by IAmGraydon »

Fargoan wrote: post #72

My friend died 2 days ago. Heart attack at 31 years old. He had some unhealthy eating habits, but nothing out of the ordinary and he was at most slightly overweight. I wouldn't be surprised if him having covid a couple months ago was a major factor in his death.

Young people who are seemingly healthy do die of heart attacks from time to time. This happened before Covid. If we're picking random things preceding his death, why not some other thing he did in the last couple of months? Why Covid?

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by wolverine876 »

the_doctah wrote: post #29
exo-pla-net wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're referring to cases of myocarditis caused by vaccination itself, the cases are negligible: 2.3 per 100,000 [1]. Compare that with the apparent near-certainty of heart damage (and likely brain damage) if you contract COVID while being unvaccinated, and the decision to not get vaccinated is not just selfish but self-destructive. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

Please knock it off with the "selfish" nonsense. Even if everyone got vaccinated, the virus would still get passed around. Then, when the next variant inevitably arises, and everyone's immunity wears off, we're back at square one. The anti-anti-vax crowd is just a walking meme at this point.

> Even if everyone got vaccinated, the virus would still get passed around.

That's not necessarily true. The virus needs to spread faster than it dies (look up the R value). Vaccines have eliminated other diseases, such as small pox.

Re: Covid and the Heart: It Spares No One – Johns Hopkins

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Post by wolverine876 »

andrew_ wrote: post #20
exo-pla-net wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're referring to cases of myocarditis caused by vaccination itself, the cases are negligible: 2.3 per 100,000 [1]. Compare that with the apparent near-certainty of heart damage (and likely brain damage) if you contract COVID while being unvaccinated, and the decision to not get vaccinated is not just selfish but self-destructive. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

> near-certainty of heart damage (and likely brain damage) if you contract COVID while being unvaccinated This is the first I've seen it presented as a near-certainty. Where is this documented?

I think they are referring to the paper in the OP.

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Post by cde-v »

hedora wrote: post #89
margalabargala wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They found that even mild COVID damaged otherwise healthy people's hearts so badly that their risk for heart problems are now comparable to those of obese people. > In other words, it does damage your heart. That damage might result in a heart attack, reflected in the increased hazard ratio. This seems an inaccurate reading of what's in the study. They did not find that all people who had COVID had heart damage, wh…

How did they know they were previously healthy? Did they have pre-infection health screens?

Yes, they were all vets in the VA system so their pre-infection health had been documented.

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Post by vkou »

president wrote: post #87
vkou wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to obsess over this, but you do need to remember that there has been, and continues to be a large pro-COVID faction that insists that getting everyone sick with it will be no big deal, because it only kills of people in . They were, of course, speaking from a position of ignorance of long-term side effects, because the data wasn't yet in. It's been two years, and in many ways, the data is still not in…

Most are willing to live life to the fullest with negligible risks. Others who want to live life locked down and living in a plastic bubble, feel free to do so. If you think Covid can be eradicated with zero-covid policies, look at how China is faring [1]. Live and let live. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/china/refuse-quarantine-frustr...

The whole point of this sub-thread is that for the past two years, there has been no end of wishful-thinking arguments that tried their best to downplay and ignore the risks.

But your raise an excellent point - if only there were solutions that allowed you to live life to the fullest with negligible risks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_washing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_control_(respiratory_di...

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