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3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine

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Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine

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Post by mikaeluman »

This has come up many times by now. But the supposed transition to renewable energy in Germany was merely a substitution of natural gas for nuclear power.

What bothers me greatly is that Germany still has not come to turns with the fact that they need nuclear power. That is a long and costly investment to make and you need to start right away.

LNG can only get you so far and renewable sources just can't provide the energy needed, as should be clear by now (although it was widely understood for the past 30 years at least).

Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine

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Post by kitkat_new »

renewiltord wrote: post #56

The environmentalists did this. They killed nuclear. They killed wind in Bavaria. This is the price of all that. Europe has destroyed her nature over the centuries, and now Europe won't do her part. If Russia has Germany by the balls, it's their own fault.

CSU (a conservative / right) is the only party that strongly is in favor of the 10H rule, which is responsible for stopping wind energy (it says that people need to have a distance of 10*heightOfThePlant to the plant

what you call environmentalists are mostly NIMBYs. The green party, actually, is in favor of abandoning 10H.

Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine

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Post by tuyguntn »

choeger wrote: post #52
tuyguntn wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

instead of banning Russian oil, I would first start with banning sending weapons to Ukraine and demand 240 hours non-stop negotiations to stop the war sooner. 10 days of not leaving anywhere unless consensus has been reached

There won't be consensus. This war started over one party having lots of demands and not even recognizing the other party as sovereign and the other party just wanting to be left in peace. How the fuck should a compromise look like here? It's like being robbed at gunpoint and negotiating a deal with the robber about how much you might keep.

> This war started over one party having lots of demands and not even recognizing the other party as sovereign

Can you name the party?

if you say Russia, put yourself on their shoes and answer the question, if you see NATO expanding to your borders together with the country ruled by people like Geroge Bush, Hillary Clinton (see how she is happy for destroying whole nation and their government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI), Joe Biden (I was suggesting we bomb Belgrade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vei_18YcC6E) and Colin Powell who blatantly lied about bio weapons and illegally invaded another country, would you believe their word and allow them to expand to Ukraine? Country fighting for free speech who put Julian Assange on jail because he exposed US crime?

I wouldn't believe, I don't agree with Putin on starting war, but I also believe, he didn't wake up with migraine and decided to start a war, no he was pushed to this war

Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine

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Post by cm2187 »

sendfoods wrote: post #63

Does anybody know why Germany isn't really using their domestic gas fields? According to the german EPA equivalent[1] there's enough for 10 years of usage. While I agree with the need to shut off Nordstream I, I am not sure Germany can afford this right now due to historically low gas reserves [2]. I have to disagree with the tone of the statement "We can afford the consequences". Who is "we"? The lower middle class…

And Germany has a third blow coming if Xi decides to invade Taiwan, and Europe decides to stop trade with China in retaliation (given the high dependence of the German economy on exports to China).

Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine

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Post by sendfoods »

est31 wrote: post #88
sendfoods wrote: post #63

Does anybody know why Germany isn't really using their domestic gas fields? According to the german EPA equivalent[1] there's enough for 10 years of usage. While I agree with the need to shut off Nordstream I, I am not sure Germany can afford this right now due to historically low gas reserves [2]. I have to disagree with the tone of the statement "We can afford the consequences". Who is "we"? The lower middle class…

Those 10 years require the use of fracking, which is I think too bad for the environment, especially for a country as densely populated as Germany. The resources that don't require fracking are only enough for 1-2 years of consumption at current levels.

That would be enough until we get LPG from Qatar, which is being reported as the earliest in Summer 2023.

Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine

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Post by qaq »

parkingrift wrote: post #89
qaq wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the cost of 8 million refuges in EU? (since you are focusing on cost) Russia is not the only oil and gas supplier

What you are suggesting here is equivalent to blowing up a bridge and then suggesting that there are other ways to cross a river. Yes, there are other oil and gas suppliers. No, Germany and the EU cannot just suddenly switch. Fools for relying on Russian energy in the first place.

They can't suddenly switch 100% they can start shifting oil fairly quickly.

Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

elaus wrote: post #62
weberer wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe stop shutting down all their nuclear plants? That would be a good first step.

In fact the German government also had that idea but it's not that simple. For once, you can't power the gas heaters in millions of households with electrical power. Also the plant operators would have to buy more uranium to continue operation – from Russia. So that kind of defeats the purpose. Sure, in retrospect it would have been better to invest even more money into renewables ten or twenty years ago, and to keep…

Why not buy the uranium from e.g. Australia?

Re: 3,599,040,600 € wired by Germany to Russia since the invasion of Ukraine

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Post by tuyguntn »

deeviant wrote: post #54
tuyguntn wrote: post #34

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Oh, whataboutism. Neat?

Oh when you expose crime, it is freedom of speech, diversity of opinions right? But when others expose double standards of West (usually politicians) and crime, it is whataboutism right?
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