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AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven

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Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven

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25 years ago, we were all bitching about having to program our parents' VCR for them. In 25 more years we'll be asking a teenager how to get TikTok beamed directly into our brains like they're doing.

I am 100% sure I will never be asking for that. Now, figuring out how to get a containerization platform running in there might be a different matter...

Until the container gets rooted and people start asking why you call yourself Tyler half the time.

Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven

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> "An employee manually entered a wrong number somewhere, causing an incorrect update. As a result, all combi microwaves of this type no longer work in the Benelux," says a spokesperson for the umbrella company Electrolux. All????? They didn't roll out the release gradually? Holy hell.

>They didn't roll out the release gradually? Holy hell. Have you looked at dev wages for appliances? That explains everything in short. Everything has to be done for the cheapest price in the shortest amount of time. Fractions of cents are cut in every directions when possible. So when you're operating dev teams on shoe string budgets under constant crunch, there's no talent nor resources for sane management, dev and…

It really depends on the expected production numbers whether it makes sense to save on hardware. I have worked on expensive products of which only a few thousand were made, predictably because it was specialized stuff, and a lot of money was spent to make the software aceptably fast...

It's different for e.g. cars where it's typically millions, at least for the computing parts.

Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven

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Or more likely because that costs money to implement "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

>Or more likely because that costs money to implement Kinda like how paying devs to push firmware updates to a damn microwave costs a lot more money than making a microwave that just works and doesn't need OTA updates?

Yes, but you cant sell the 'regular' microwave for more because its special. And there is no way to sell marketing data with a regular microwave.

Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven

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I wouldn't buy one. Especially at that price point. But I admit that a faucet which could reliably do things like "dispense 6 ounces of water" is kind of a neat idea. But I wouldn't want it tied to Amazon or anything like that. It'd need to be self-contained, with it's own computer, speaker, mic, voice analysis, no internet connection required, and a reliable failure mode that never interferes with the handle working…

Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

>He had found a Nutri-Alexa machine which had provided him with a plastic cup filled with a liquid that was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.

Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven

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I want to point out most cars made after 2004 or so have no physical connection between not just accelerator and engine but more importantly wheels and steering wheel. So their usability is as good as the software written to control them and the motor/sensor windings, etc. Not unlike the software controlling that microwave.

This is absolutely not true. Most cars have switched to electronic power steering (EPS) which uses a manual steering rack and linkage, but driven by an electric motor controlled by haptics to create more power when turning. Steering wheels are /always/ directly connected to the steering rack, in every single vehicle intended to be operated by a human.

Drive by wire systems replaced a mechanical throttle linkage with an electronic control, and the reason for this is because it's massively better in every aspect, using EFI vs a throttle body. There are some hybrid designs called TBI (Throttle Body Injected), which are meh. EFI controls fuel and air mixtures dynamically using servos and relays driven by the ECU in response to signals from the drive by wire system.

Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven

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I wonder if that percentage of tech-savvy "elderly" is going up over time. I know I remember hearing that about anything computer related 20 years ago, but many of the people in the upper age ranges now lived with computers for a majority of their life. My grandma is not tech savvy, but can follow directions pretty well. My spouse's grandma is tech savvy to a certain level and manages her own computer and photo libra…

25 years ago, we were all bitching about having to program our parents' VCR for them. In 25 more years we'll be asking a teenager how to get TikTok beamed directly into our brains like they're doing.

I knew a few elderly who managed to program their VCR. I also knew a lot of young people who couldn't.

Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven

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I'm starting a kitchen upgrade, and the number of "connected" kitchen appliances is astonishing. I don't need my faucet to have Alexa, I don't want to read news on my refrigerator, and I don't want an app for my oven. I'm not aware of any companies keeping servers running for a product that matches the life expectancy of a kitchen appliance, nor do I want an AWS outage to keep me from making nachos.

It's the same horseshit with smart thermostats. I expect a thermostat to last ten years minimum, if not twenty or thirty. How many times do these companies have to fuck their customers before people stop buying them? The very instant you become more profitable to abandon than to support everything you bought will stop working. If it can happen to Revolv customers it can happen to you. I recently bought a thirty year…

Thermostat companies are too busy selling remote administration connections to power companies to allow them to control your thermostat to care about what you, the end user, wants.

Many Texans discovered this the hard way.

Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven

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Buy professional appliances, for restaurants. For some reason, they are often better along many axes: cheaper, easier to clean, more customizable, more powerful, more flexible, etc. I really like the professional induction stoves, with actual physical dials, no touch crap. And the best part, there is a huge used market for professional appliances in really good shape, for even lower price.

Can you recommend any particular sellers? My oven stops working with some nonsensical error message when I try to use it above 350F, so I'm in the market for a new one.

Odds are there are a few restaurant supply stores around you. Most independent of any chain. They tend to be open the the public only 'working hours'. Find one that wants to serve you

Re: AEG combi microwave unusable after update: device thinks it is a steam oven

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Electrolux are a horrible company. They seem to have borged a whole load of other brands, which all have now descended to Electrolux's abysmal standards. - They don't support their own products; the warranty is served by a third-party - Their products are built to a price-point, and fail just after the warranty is up - Spare parts are expensive - They apparently have neither an email address or phone number The water…

I was really keen to get an Anova Precision Oven (countertop combi steam oven), but then found out that Anova is owned by Electrolux now. That kind of killed the deal for me.
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