5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

Post by adventured » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 2:02 AM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #112

throwaway894345 wrote: post #91

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I'm not defending any particular action, I'm cautioning against context-less comparisons. But to answer your other questions, the stakes were very high for the whole world (global thermonuclear war, communism, etc) and the USSR was primarily responsible for escalating though no doubt the west was not uniformly virtuous. If your goal is to compare the West or the US in particular with its dictatorial rivals, it's prob…

> the west was not uniformly virtuous. So not absolutely perfect angels at all times? Harsh criticism. The US started the thermonuclear arms race, and escalated it until it consumed a large part of the economy, based on literal calculated lies about the "missile gap." > If your goal is to compare the West or the US in particular with its dictatorial rivals The goal should be to point out its dictatorial tendencies, a…

Post by kelnos » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 2:08 AM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #137

solveit wrote: post #116

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And is the Ukrainean state actually fascist? How about Korea? In the absence of UN intervention, would there have arisen an authoritarian state that was a menace to not only its own citizens but every neighbouring country? Clearly Ukraine is not fascist and Korea would have been. There is a difference.

North Korea is fascist, but harmlessly so. Despite endless flexing and threat inflation, they haven't actually done much harm since invading the South 70 years ago. The main problem with fascism in Nazi Germany, Zionist Israel, and Banderite Ukraine is that these fascist states have overt policies of ethnic cleansing. IOW the "fascism" part isn't necessarily bad (unless you are a liberal chauvinist), it's the ethnic…

Post by armenarmen » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 2:10 AM UTC

StopDarkPattern wrote: post #124

noobermin wrote: post #22

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That reminds me of COINTELPRO, and how the FBI tried to get MLK to commit suicide by sending him a harassing black mailing letter. It's amazing how states particularly when they have apparatuses that can go rouge or are even actually encouraged by the government like the Stasi were go to ridiculous lengths to harass people they find politically inconvenient.

traditional CCP USA what-about-isms

Post by octoberfranklin » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 2:20 AM UTC

mullen wrote: post #78

jfoster wrote: post #39

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Do you have a source for that? Sounds too high to be plausible. With a population of around 25 million, that would mean that 1 out of every 500 people would be an informant.

The Chinese "Spies" are not what you think of as Spies. They are Chinese foreign college students in Australia who report back to China if any of their classmates do something that the Chinese government would not approve of. They also steal information when they can and just basically tow the party line while overseas. They all do it because the government is paying for their education and they are proven loyal to C…

Post by plorg » Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 2:24 AM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #117

cwkoss wrote: post #108

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Seems very odd that people are downvoting the comment I'm replying to: downvoters - why are you downvoting this? Do you think it's false? Or just don't like hearing about it?

I didn't downvote you, but often people get downvoted because they take the discussion off-topic. It's interesting to you that what the PRC is doing today reminds you of something the FBI did last century. But the discussion is still about the PRC, not the FBI. As you can see, your comment that is benign on the surface started a whole thread of off-topic comments, which bogs down the overall discussion and generates…