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5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

There are a lot of cases of Chinese, Russian, Iranian, Saudi, etc. dissidents or critics being targeted overseas. I'm not sure why it's a surprise to anyone or why people think it doesn't happen.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

That reminds me of COINTELPRO, and how the FBI tried to get MLK to commit suicide by sending him a harassing black mailing letter. It's amazing how states particularly when they have apparatuses that can go rouge or are even actually encouraged by the government like the Stasi were go to ridiculous lengths to harass people they find politically inconvenient.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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These details are wild, scary, and fascinating. Fascinating from the perspective of how easy it is for foreign governments on the other side of the world to try to scare the shit out of US citizens by hiring some scumbag PI for probably as little as $5k.

> Beginning in September 2021, Lin hired a private investigator (the PI) in New York to disrupt the campaign of a Brooklyn resident currently running for U.S. Congress (the Victim), including by physically attacking the Victim. The Victim was a student leader of the pro-democracy demonstrations in Tiananmen Square in 1989, who later escaped to the United States, served in the U.S. military, and became a naturalized U.S. citizen. In September 2021, the Victim (then living in Long Island) announced his intention to run for a U.S. congressional seat on Long Island in the November 2022 general election.

> In hiring the PI, Lin explained that if the Victim was selected during the June 2022 primary election, then he might be “elected to be a legislator. Right now we don’t want him to be elected.” Lin emphasized that, “Whatever price is fine. As long as you can do it.” He also promised that “we will have a lot more-more of this [work] in the future…Including right now [a] New York State legislator.” Lin explained to the PI that Lin was working with other unidentified individuals in the PRC to stop the Victim from being elected to U.S. Congress.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. Covert: Inflitrate US Congress for potential blackmail - https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2df... Infitration of US Higher Ed & Supression - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/16/how-china... Siphon off entire US Government personnel information, Probably to match it against Grindr…

> No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. CCP might be good at this, but this is just laughably wrong. They certainly haven't overthrown anywhere close to as many governments as Washington has since WW2.

They haven’t been a superpower for nearly as long as the US has been, and it didn’t overlap with the zenith of “overthrowing governments as the means to foreign policy”. Moreover, it’s easy to criticize Cold War eta interventions when the stakes were very high, but there’s much less justification for “peacetime repression”. Further still, “overthrowing governments” isn’t the only way to measure meddling and repression.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

That reminds me of COINTELPRO, and how the FBI tried to get MLK to commit suicide by sending him a harassing black mailing letter. It's amazing how states particularly when they have apparatuses that can go rouge or are even actually encouraged by the government like the Stasi were go to ridiculous lengths to harass people they find politically inconvenient.

that is true, but that was more than fifty years ago..

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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post #11

No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. Covert: Inflitrate US Congress for potential blackmail - https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2df... Infitration of US Higher Ed & Supression - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/16/how-china... Siphon off entire US Government personnel information, Probably to match it against Grindr…

> No other country has managed to accomplish what CCP has in its coordinated campaign across the globe. CCP might be good at this, but this is just laughably wrong. They certainly haven't overthrown anywhere close to as many governments as Washington has since WW2.

It is in fact so wrong, I can't help but feel this is a bit? Like, I don't understand how you could keep this all consistent in your head. Without even going into history of the 20th century or even any facts whatsoever: why would, for example, the U.S. not do corollary acts of espionage and infiltration? Because of ethical principles? Or is the idea here that western nations are not as good at this as others?

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese grad students have already copied all university research lab hard drive contents and sent them back to China. One of them admitted to my friend to doing it and being sent to the school by the Chinese military. Chinese grad students are a massive espionage risk, second only to Israeli nationals.

Why Israeli nationals? Israel is an allied country to the US.

If there is one thing Israel is known for, it's their secret service. I'd even go and say the Mossad is miles ahead of the NSA... the NSA goes for the brute force approach: grab every piece of data they can get their hold on with enormous resources and attempt to make sense of the pile later.

The Mossad is orders of magnitude more resource-efficient, they go for surgical strikes against whomever they are targeting. And they don't care at all if their target is an allied state, a neutral state or an enemy state.

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of COINTELPRO, and how the FBI tried to get MLK to commit suicide by sending him a harassing black mailing letter. It's amazing how states particularly when they have apparatuses that can go rouge or are even actually encouraged by the government like the Stasi were go to ridiculous lengths to harass people they find politically inconvenient.

that is true, but that was more than fifty years ago..

I had this same thought but then I caught myself. Human nature doesn’t change that much. This basically happened at the corporate level at eBay in the last 12 months right? So factually if you are just saying it was a long time ago, then yes, that’s correct. However, I think it can and does still happen and humans from 50 years ago aren’t much different. In fact, some are even literally the same humans but just older…

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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post #8

Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

Reminds me of Gang stalking[0]. It always seems to happen to people who present themselves as generally not very mentally healthy, but sometimes you have to wonder. If you were the very unlucky target of some deniable, organized harassment effort, it would certainly take its toll on your mental health. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking

relevant Onion https://youtu.be/FzoXQKumgCw

Re: 5 Charged with Stalking, Harassing, Spying on US Residents for PRC Secret Police

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post #8

Sometimes I think this sounds conspiratorial, and surely isn't happening. Who has the time or money to pay 5 people to just go around harassing and stalking people for political gain only? Then I remember the story of the lady in East Germany who, after it fell, managed to get the Stasi records that finally proved that yes, they had been stalking her, harassing her, and spying on her. They would do things like wait u…

Reminds me of Gang stalking[0]. It always seems to happen to people who present themselves as generally not very mentally healthy, but sometimes you have to wonder. If you were the very unlucky target of some deniable, organized harassment effort, it would certainly take its toll on your mental health. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking

The Stasi term for this was Zersetzung: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung
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