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Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by misja111 »

impossiblefork wrote: post #214
eloisius wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you making thinly veiled references to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about replacing white people in Europe? I wouldn't assume so quickly, except that in your recent comment history you've repeatedly made anti-Semitic statements. I'm not gonna flag or downvote your comment, but at least have the personal honor to be direct about what you're insinuating. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30681863 https://new…

Even so, this particular statement is factual: Belgians are about 50% of the newborn in Belgium. In Sweden numbers are less certain, but it's less than 60%, somewhere between 50% and 60%, so Swedes are likely to end up being a minority in Sweden, possibly a quite small minority, and the same with Belgians in Belgium.

The idea that there would be something like a 'pure Belgian', or Dutch or French or whatever, is an illusion.

How many of those 50% new Belgians had all Belgian ancestors? And not some French, Dutch, German, Italian .. person somewhere up in their family tree?

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by 1_player »

impossiblefork wrote: post #214
eloisius wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you making thinly veiled references to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about replacing white people in Europe? I wouldn't assume so quickly, except that in your recent comment history you've repeatedly made anti-Semitic statements. I'm not gonna flag or downvote your comment, but at least have the personal honor to be direct about what you're insinuating. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30681863 https://new…

Even so, this particular statement is factual: Belgians are about 50% of the newborn in Belgium. In Sweden numbers are less certain, but it's less than 60%, somewhere between 50% and 60%, so Swedes are likely to end up being a minority in Sweden, possibly a quite small minority, and the same with Belgians in Belgium.

When it happened in the United States we called it the land of the free and the melting pot, but somehow it's bad when it happens in Europe.

Fuck racial and cultural purity. Get on with the times.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by whimsicalism »

hutzlibu wrote: post #210
sacrosancty wrote: post #189

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How would modern Tibetans making their own choices work? They're majority Han Chinese now so are you proposing some kind of apartheid or ethnostate, or Han dominated democracy?

I know, this is not simple with so much time passed and I am not a fan of proofing heritage or ethnicity to be allowed to life anywhere. And I am not directly involved, so I do not propose any concrete solution, due to lack of detail knowledge. But I do see some solutions. Local autonomy. Federalism. Different districts with different systems. End of absolute rule of the CCP - no more interfering in cultural and reli…

> monastaries

The monasteries including their lands? That's absurd.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by prox »

jahnu wrote: post #219
anadem wrote: post #174

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"Tibet has an estimated population of about 6 million Tibetans and 7.5 million Chinese settlers." [0] This is using the Chinese definition of Tibet, which is less than half of the historical Tibet. Han Chinese are encouraged to move into Tibet (and Xinjiang) to dilute the indigenous population. [0] https://unpo.org/members/7879

I visited the 3 largest Tibetan cities in 2007. Each city had a "Tibetan Quarter". I can't see how this could ever be an independent country ever again.

Put all of the Tibetan Chinese in camps for re-education? You can ask the Chinese government how that works. /s

EDIT : The current Uyghur camps are a tragedy in passing to which the world is turning a blind eye. Tibet should be continuously recognized as an independent country within the world community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs

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Post by powerapple »

whimsicalism wrote: post #181
yongjik wrote: post #173

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I'm saying that it's silly to argue that Tibetans don't deserve their own government because ancient Tibetans were horrible people, when the current alternative is Tibetans being ruled by China with its own horrible ancestors. Ancient people were horrible everywhere. It's not really an argument for anything.

The Tibetans deserve a government that represents them, but not the Dalai Lama led one (although I don't agree with a principle of "every ethnic group governs themselves" or something like that. I don't think it is wrong or colonialist to be part of a supranational, pluralistic state - but China is obviously authoritarian). These aren't "ancient Tibetans"... this is quite literally the Tibetian government directly pr…

If I view people as animals, I just wish them stay the same for generations, so my kids can visit them, their exotic cultures. Don't have my stupid modern life style, stay pure, stay different. I feel that's how people see this world. In many tourists places, people have to pretend to be the same as old time, wear exotic clothes, do something stupid shit in village for tourists to see. That's how this world is, becoming a big zoo.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by krageon »

impossiblefork wrote: post #214
eloisius wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you making thinly veiled references to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about replacing white people in Europe? I wouldn't assume so quickly, except that in your recent comment history you've repeatedly made anti-Semitic statements. I'm not gonna flag or downvote your comment, but at least have the personal honor to be direct about what you're insinuating. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30681863 https://new…

Even so, this particular statement is factual: Belgians are about 50% of the newborn in Belgium. In Sweden numbers are less certain, but it's less than 60%, somewhere between 50% and 60%, so Swedes are likely to end up being a minority in Sweden, possibly a quite small minority, and the same with Belgians in Belgium.

The very thing you are saying here is inherently and deeply racist.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by hosh »

cyberpunk wrote: post #65

As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

There is a lot of history there between China and Tibet reaching all the way to the Yuan dynasty. For example, the Mongolian people have deep ties with the Tibetan Buddhists, such that the Mongolian rulers of the Yuan dynasty gave a lot of leeway to the region. The Manchurian rulers of the Qing dynasty were Buddhists themselves and found a way to politically claim the area while letting Tibet run as a vassal state.

Lastly, there was this prophecy among the Tibetans about the diaspora.

China has historically considered themselves as the axis mundi of the world. The name “中國” when translated to “Middle Kingdom” loses a lot of the flavor. Better translated as “Central Kingdom”, an insular society in which the far-flung frontiers pivot around the Chinese culture.

Both the Opium Wars and the Boxer Rebellion were rude awakenings and humiliating. But I think a lot of people in the West underestimate how much China could have been the superpower at the time, and instead chose not to.

I think China’s political goals in the modern time make more sense when viewed this way. Consolidate the historical territories it once held. Make its influence known so other polities can’t humiliate and rob China again.

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by Loic »

misja111 wrote: post #221
impossiblefork wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even so, this particular statement is factual: Belgians are about 50% of the newborn in Belgium. In Sweden numbers are less certain, but it's less than 60%, somewhere between 50% and 60%, so Swedes are likely to end up being a minority in Sweden, possibly a quite small minority, and the same with Belgians in Belgium.

The idea that there would be something like a 'pure Belgian', or Dutch or French or whatever, is an illusion. How many of those 50% new Belgians had all Belgian ancestors? And not some French, Dutch, German, Italian .. person somewhere up in their family tree?

A pure French exist!

A pure French has "core values". He is proud to be French, a bit arrogant, a bit thinking like his country is big ("la Grande Nation"), the source of all the enlightenment philosophers, that English has more than 30% of its words directly taken from French and that without French cuisine and mode, and his magnificent country for the people to visit, the world would not be a place to live, can discuss without start and end on any subject and do not listen anyway to your answers. (I think there are many more core values, but I forgot them)

It means that you can be pure French with Algerian, Moroccan, Chinese, whatever you want and have, roots. You just need to believe the core values and you are definitely French.

Sometimes my wife tells me that I am a stupid French.

;-)

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Post by ricardobeat »

1_player wrote: post #222
impossiblefork wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even so, this particular statement is factual: Belgians are about 50% of the newborn in Belgium. In Sweden numbers are less certain, but it's less than 60%, somewhere between 50% and 60%, so Swedes are likely to end up being a minority in Sweden, possibly a quite small minority, and the same with Belgians in Belgium.

When it happened in the United States we called it the land of the free and the melting pot, but somehow it's bad when it happens in Europe. Fuck racial and cultural purity. Get on with the times.

The US almost completely wiped out the native population, so everyone was an immigrant, and united by the idea of a free country. That’s a form of cultural uniformity, just like cultural heritage in Europe.
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