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Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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I am more familiar with the history of pre British India. Thankfully the British "civilized" my country. Surely China will do the same to Tibet. The excuses people make for colonialism remain the same as centuries pass by.

the history between china and tibet isn't the history between britain and india.

It is exactly the same. It is colonialism right down to the justifications

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It’s absolutely shocking how much pain you can be in before losing control if your willpower is strong enough.

> It’s shocking how much pain you can be in if your willpower is strong enough. Or you are drugged with something strong enough. A much simpler explanation that doesn't require to believe in guys developing supernatural superpowers.

I was speaking from personal experience. Including having my insides burned away for multiple minutes without numbing agent. Stupid doctor. Really bad kidney stone comes somewhat close to that. Or severe nerve damage that causes every waking moment to be a nightmare. That one isn’t Not as bad acute as kidney pain. But it lasts a long time and doctors always think your faking.

One can build up a lot of tolerance.

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Are you sure you want to do comparison? As late as 1863, captured leaders of the Taiping Rebellion were sentenced to death by slicing flesh off the body until they died. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Dakai

This is whataboutism. No relevance to the issue at hand whatsoever.

I'm saying that it's silly to argue that Tibetans don't deserve their own government because ancient Tibetans were horrible people, when the current alternative is Tibetans being ruled by China with its own horrible ancestors.

Ancient people were horrible everywhere. It's not really an argument for anything.

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I certainly didn't ask that question from a political perspective. I'm not delusional to assume that Tibet and its people stand a chance against China. And this was also reflected in their answers. They're mostly concerned with ensuring that people have a safe passage out of there (having the ability to go to India and lead a life without oppression), while trying to negotiate peace deals for sacred locations and the…

Is it expected Han Chinese will move in to displace the Tibetans? Why are they focusing on safe passage?

"Tibet has an estimated population of about 6 million Tibetans and 7.5 million Chinese settlers." [0]

This is using the Chinese definition of Tibet, which is less than half of the historical Tibet. Han Chinese are encouraged to move into Tibet (and Xinjiang) to dilute the indigenous population.

[0] https://unpo.org/members/7879

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As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

Tibet provides a lot of water to China and India

China, yes.

India, no.

Most of the water entrapment areas of India are within India's borders.

And, the rest come from the Himalayas, where it isn't easy to divert the flows, and most of those mountains are under Indian control. See: https://www.thetibetpost.com/en/features/44-environment-and-...

The real threat is China launching attacks from Tibet, against India.

Why? Because much of Chinese trade goes through the Indian Ocean, where India has negative control.

So, it is easy to see China getting wary of India and launching a territorial war from Tibet, in order to gain dominance over India. And, of course, Pakistan would join in.

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I lived in Dharamshala (home to the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government-in-exile) for 3 months a few years ago. My partner at the time went back to the US to visit family, and I didn't want to leave Asia so I went there since I had some interest in Buddhism at the time, too. In random book stores, I met actual monks who had served time (in China) as political prisoners. One of which had also written a book about it…

Nit: you were likely in McLeod Ganj, Dharamshala is the city in the valley below (where few foreigners stay), and not terribly convenient to travel to/from if you were living in the city. That, or you were up in Dharamkat and hiked down into town/temple area where there are needless to say many Tibetan monks from the diaspora -- amazing part of India. Free Tibet

The city (town) below is Lower Dharamshala, and McLeod Ganj is just another name for Upper Dharamshala. The Central Tibetan Administration, physically located in the upper part, consider themselves to be in "Dharamshala", and so does the Indian post office.

https://tibet.net/contact/

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Is it expected Han Chinese will move in to displace the Tibetans? Why are they focusing on safe passage?

"Tibet has an estimated population of about 6 million Tibetans and 7.5 million Chinese settlers." [0] This is using the Chinese definition of Tibet, which is less than half of the historical Tibet. Han Chinese are encouraged to move into Tibet (and Xinjiang) to dilute the indigenous population. [0] https://unpo.org/members/7879

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Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

Hello, all replies at this point I think are ~cultural. Caspianreport (others to probs but that’s where I heard it) iirc says a lot of China water comes from Tibet region. Many big Chinese rivers start there. This is first comment ever, god knows how long I’ve lurked, please take it easy on me. Confirmation bias link and quote: https://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/geo/proper.htm “ Two great rivers run through China Proper: the Yellow River in the north, and the Yangtze (or Yangzi ) River to the south. In fact, most of China Proper belongs to the drainage-basins of these two rivers. Both originate to the far west in the Tibetan Plateau.”

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I believe many "Czechoslovaks" feel with Tibet and also Ukraine these days. For those interested in history of "living torches" fighting for freedom: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Palach

Yeah, the cases of normal US citizens lighting themselves on fire to protest against the war in Vietnam was jarring, they would also do it right in front of the White House or other centers of US power https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Self-immolations_in...

Thank you for posting this. It's history about my own country that I didn't know.

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As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

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