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Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Doesn't every country have official languages that they teach and conduct business in? There are very few groups who still speak their native languages after being assimilated into the US. Tibetan is still being taught in schools there along with mandarin. Wouldn't it be hard to integrate into the business community if you didn't speak the official language of business in a given country?

The US does not have an official language. We just default to English. There are bilingual schools, especially in bigger cities. It's typically conservatives who don't want bilingualism. Within major immigrant hubs, bilingualism and code-switching are very common, especially in multigenerational households. And most modern immigrants come to America willingly, seeking a better quality of life. Among the forced assimi…

We have compulsory schooling in the US with mandatory English. If kids don't go to school, they and their parents can go to jail.

Also, you do realize the whole concentration camp thing is mostly propaganda to apply pressure to a geopolitical rival, right? The US has been doing it for the entirety of its existence.

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The US does not have an official language. We just default to English. There are bilingual schools, especially in bigger cities. It's typically conservatives who don't want bilingualism. Within major immigrant hubs, bilingualism and code-switching are very common, especially in multigenerational households. And most modern immigrants come to America willingly, seeking a better quality of life. Among the forced assimi…

We have compulsory schooling in the US with mandatory English. If kids don't go to school, they and their parents can go to jail. Also, you do realize the whole concentration camp thing is mostly propaganda to apply pressure to a geopolitical rival, right? The US has been doing it for the entirety of its existence.

That's still not an official language. What's your point? That forced assimilation is OK because they learn a useful language? It's basically their version of manifest destiny and native boarding schools. Brainwashing in either case.

The US has been doing what its entire existence? Propaganda, camps, both? And so what? Doesn't make it right for either country. The US and China are both evil in their own ways.

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"Tibet has an estimated population of about 6 million Tibetans and 7.5 million Chinese settlers." [0] This is using the Chinese definition of Tibet, which is less than half of the historical Tibet. Han Chinese are encouraged to move into Tibet (and Xinjiang) to dilute the indigenous population. [0] https://unpo.org/members/7879

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Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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As a zen Buddhist, I've always kinda felt our Tibetan 'dharma brothers' style of buddhism (admittedly, I don't know a lot about) feels much more like a proper religion than the kind of thing I've been into.. Which put me off quite a lot of it, I still hope to someday visit the place. It’s pretty sad that such an essentially peaceful and introspective group of people are abused thus, even if they believe in some prett…

IMHO only, not an expert/informed analysis: Buddhism can be a risk to Chinese harmony if left to a separate authority (the real Dalai Lama). The Chinese grand social experiment of a strong state can only really work if they are relatively culturally homogenous, whether in Tibet or Hong Kong or Xinjiang or Taiwan. Dissent plants the seeds of change, and the CCP's system doesn't work when there is too much diversity of…

"Their government doesn't work on 4-year competitive cycles like ours does..."

Not that I don't agree with your idea that the CCP work on a longer time horizon than the US govt, but China does run on short-term cycles, namely its 5-year plans:

https://cset.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/t0284_14th_Fi...

Re: Popular Tibetan singer Tsewang Norbu dies of self-immolation protest

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Fighting the good fight! Unlike those who die of selfies. If he set himself on fire while jumping 50 cars, he would get more likes though. Somehow i dont think peaceful protests mean anything to a government intent on genocide like the Spanish, Germans and the Brits of the past.

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I find it interesting how different of an explanation this letter gives for the immolation VS what actually happened: > Quảng Đức was protesting the persecution of Buddhists by the South Vietnamese government led by Ngô Đình Diệm, a staunch Roman Catholic. Photographs of his self-immolation circulated around the world, drawing attention to the policies of the Diệm government. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%…

Can you spell out how that conflicts with Thich Nhat Hanh's letter? I'm not connecting the dots.

The letter presents the self-immolations as a response to the war.

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There are many authors and traditions that have escaped the Himalayas. Please support these authors and programs as much as possible so the passion and wisdom lives on.

What. are. you. talking about? Passion and wisdom?

Is this just some knee-jerk suddenly enlightened mass market fortune cookie drivel that one spouts after seeing some movie about Tibet and finding yourself in tune with the mysticism of the Himalayas?

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What would be the endgame for Tibetan independence. I can see it going straight to theocracy.

I think when China defeated the theocratic rules, it was an improvement for Tibetan people. But a government's legitimacy is constantly re-evaluated by the governed, and it's the ruling party's job to earn the support necessary for maintaining a stable society.

Using force to ensure conformity can work for the short-term, but history shows even the strongest dictators will fall eventually, if they lose the support of the people.

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Thats true, but you do not have to look long to see, that Tibet was a feudal theocracy, with no dissent allowed, either. But that is history. Modern Tibet deserves to make their own choices, I hope they get the chance to make them one day. And about old Tibet, I recommend "Seven Years in Tibet", real story of a Nazi who fled a british war prisoner camp in india and then spend 7 years in Tibet, also as a teacher for t…

How would modern Tibetans making their own choices work? They're majority Han Chinese now so are you proposing some kind of apartheid or ethnostate, or Han dominated democracy?

I know, this is not simple with so much time passed and I am not a fan of proofing heritage or ethnicity to be allowed to life anywhere.

And I am not directly involved, so I do not propose any concrete solution, due to lack of detail knowledge.

But I do see some solutions. Local autonomy. Federalism. Different districts with different systems. End of absolute rule of the CCP - no more interfering in cultural and religious topics. Allow the exil Tibetans and the Dalai Lama to come back, give them back the monastaries. Let them work something out, with the Han chinese who live there today and in many cases, were born there.

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