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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by ewhanley »

snek_case wrote: post #689
capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I think this is kind of a conflict between those who are morning people and those who aren't. Many morning people would prefer to have that sunlight in the morning. I'm not at all a morning person and I'd rather have that sunlight after work when I can actually benefit from it.

I am 100% a morning person, but I’m at work inside in the morning. I’d prefer more daylight in the evening when I’m not staring at a screen at work (though I recognize some people start and end their workday later).

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by sjmm1989 »

Some of the people are talking about how it affects the kids going to school.

Honestly, having grown up part of my childhood in Saskatchewan... daylights savings time was never a thing I had to deal with really. We had our own time zone.

But the few years I was in Alberta during my school years, those days after the hour removal were just dreadful. Having to get up at what was yesterdays 5:30am to take a school bus at what was yesterdays 7:00am in the morning to be able to get there for todays 9:00am... up to 30 minutes early... was pure and unadulterated BULLSHIT.

Half the morning classes I was too tired to ever learn a damn thing properly, even with a good amount of sleep.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by Apofis »

snek_case wrote: post #689
capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I think this is kind of a conflict between those who are morning people and those who aren't. Many morning people would prefer to have that sunlight in the morning. I'm not at all a morning person and I'd rather have that sunlight after work when I can actually benefit from it.

I run in the mornings and the change this past week made it ridiculous... I get up at 5:30 and get out for a run by 6:00 and it's not dawn until about 7 AM. I got really used to getting to the nearby beach right on time to see a beautiful sunrise before heading back. Hopefully, it'll pull back soon.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by asdff »

mdavis6890 wrote: post #736

Bad idea. TimeZones and DST are for humans and physical realities, such as the tilt of the earth and circadian rhythms. And they serve to address these things in a universal, coordinated way rather than asking each of us to change our schedules individually. During DST, we all agree to start our days, open our business, and adjust our schedules one hour earlier, but without changing our individual clock times. With D…

This is much better for children imo. During my childhood the sun rose as I got into school in the winter (~7:45am) so I was still waking up before dawn, and was setting or set by the time I got done with extracurriculars and my parents finished working (~5:30pm). In other words, for half the year I would simply not see the sun or have any sunlight hit my skin unless time was explicitly made for that during the limited daylight hours on weekends. It's no wonder so many people are vitamin D deficient when they spend half the year as a troglodyte.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by _ph_ »

capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

In the end, almost all persons wake-up time are dictated by the rise of the sun. Not in the sense that you always rise with sunrise - that makes less sense the more north you go, but that the day rythm is highly dependant on the rythm of sunlight. People are strongly opposed to wake before sunraise, so most time schemes try to minimize that, without having darkness way too early. The typical day schedules are arranged with the idea, that the sun is highest not to late after noon. Permanent DST will have an obvious consequence: times will shift. Work and schools will start and end an hour later. You won't get more sun after work. TANSTAFL

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by ilovesunlight »

capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

They mean 1 hour earlier relative to the sun cycle, and they are correct. Because the sun strongly influences our circadian rhythm, this is the correct frame of reference, from a health standpoint, not wall time.

If you get up at 8 every day, you're getting up ~2 hours after dawn (depending on date/location). When DST hits, 7 becomes 8, and you're getting up ~1 hour after dawn.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by scotuswroteus »

giantg2 wrote: post #746
capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

All of this could be moot if China pursues/completes its plan of putting artificial "moons" up to provide 8 times the light of a full moon. Then it would be relatively light all the time.

G.O.A.T. analysis right here

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by _ph_ »

chaorace wrote: post #504
captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

> Why don't they make the regular time permanent? There's a pro-DST lobby because more post-work daylight hours is correlated with higher consumer spending. For that reason, permanent DST is more politically expedient in relation to permanent standard time. > And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I don't thi…

I don't know whether there is such a lobby, but if there is, they fall victim to the same mistake as many other proponents of permanent DST: society is highly synchronized with the movement of the sun. Permanent DST means that timetables are going to be adjusted over time to compensate for it and no one is getting out of work earlier before sunset.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by VoodooJuJu »

subsubzero wrote: post #572
ddlatham wrote: post #360

We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...

Its so strange how people on this thread are complaining about the issues you mentioned, but twice every year I see articles on hackernews/other areas about how bad the effects of changing time to DST and back and how detrimental it is for everyone's health. People can't have it both ways. My gut suspicion is why this passed is people are more angrier and stressed out/depressed than they have been in a very long time…

Both permanent DST and twice-annual clock switching are bad. There is a third, and in my opinion, superior way: permanent standard time.

The majority currently in favor of permanent DST will become a minority come winter, mark my words. And I hope it gets repealed just like it did in the 70's. Permanent standard time or bust.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by _ph_ »

aqme28 wrote: post #682
captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

> I predict a lot of people will want to move school start to a later hour then. I'm a proponent of this regardless. Forcing teenagers to be awake at 6AM is not helpful.

Thats is the reason, permanent DST won't "work". Childrens wake time is highly dependant on the sun. So, if it already makes sense to start school later, then it only gets more so, if there is permanent DST. Which means, most work times have to start later as well.
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