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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by wolverine876 »

collegeburner wrote: post #444
wolverine876 wrote: post #397

The whole world going to the same time zone, usually proposed in these discussions, doesn't work - sun-time dissociates with clock-time, making words like "night" and "noon" confusing. However, I would like to see a North American Standard time (NAT): Set the clock at half-way between US Mountain and Central times and apply it to all of North America (with maybe a few extreme exceptions, such as western Alaska and Ha…

I'd be pretty ok with this, but I'm also biased because I live in central. Calis probably won't like it much because they'll be getting up hours before the sun.

Calis will have even longer summer nights though, with the sun setting into the ocean ...

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by aqme28 »

captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

> I predict a lot of people will want to move school start to a later hour then.

I'm a proponent of this regardless. Forcing teenagers to be awake at 6AM is not helpful.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by sporkland »

Trying to analyze the impact of this I used my favorite tool for thinking through DST issues: https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@z-us-94114

Seems like with this law in effect, near the winter solstice in San Francisco what would have been 7:21am - 4:54pm will now instead be 8:21am - 5:54pm day light hours. Is this accurate?

On the one hand, the 6pm night time feels pretty reasonable, but 8:20 for sun in the morning seems pretty early. Although I think I prefer this to having standard time year around.

My favorite option on this topic is to change the clocks smaller amounts way more often to try and achieve good alignment between clocks and day light. I haven't worked it out with precision, but it seems like it should be better than than these hour jumps or not jumping at all.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by NAHWheatCracker »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #637
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

The one hour switch doesn't bother me that much. I didn't even notice this week when the time changed, because all of my clocks adjusted themselves. A friend had to remind me yesterday when I remarked how it was still light outside. What bothers me is having to wake up when it's still dark outside. The last few days before the DST switch in the fall are always super rough for me, every year. Going through that all wi…

I bought hue bulbs last year everything in my apartment slowly turns up to full brightness over ~30 minutes around the time that my alarm goes off.

I also have the light switch through two phases of red at night which signals to me to do things in the evening and prep for sleep.

I don't know if that will help you personally, but I can recommend it.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by walnutclosefarm »

bhauer wrote: post #621
stormbrew wrote: post #506

I'd kill for a peek into the parallel universe where it was permanent standard time that was likely to get adopted and see how much effort went into researching the ill effects of that choice to convince people with enough FUD to keep daylight time switching going. Here's the thing: If you're a proponent of permanent standard time, you should be in favour of turning off the switching no matter what. Even if it means…

I am in favor of permanent standard time, but failing that, I am super happy with permanent daylight-saving time. Far more important to me is ridding ourselves of the twice-annual insanity of changing clocks. I'd be okay with adopting UTC if that meant our clocks never changed again.

> I am in favor of permanent standard time, but failing that, I am super happy with permanent daylight-saving time.

Ditto. Switching is the issue for me. And it's not because it's all that disruptive to me personally. But it is highly disruptive, and dangerous to shift workers. The fall change in particularly raised hell in the hospital where I worked, since it literally created an hour that occurred twice. Computers can store time in universal time, but a nurse medicates or does a procedure on a patient by clock time, and that duplicate hour and compressed shift increased risk of patient harm, misrecording of data, and overall stress a lot.

And really, it's just dumb.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by emtel »

capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

> Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to.

Uh, yes, that's the point - and many businesses and schools will stick to a consistent nominal time (like 8am) which will now be one hour earlier in real terms.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by caditinpiscinam »

captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

Because DST currently lasts longer (almost 8 months)

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Post by hertzrat »

capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

Isn’t this just some random Twitter account? There isn’t even a link to a real source

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Post by snek_case »

capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

I think this is kind of a conflict between those who are morning people and those who aren't. Many morning people would prefer to have that sunlight in the morning. I'm not at all a morning person and I'd rather have that sunlight after work when I can actually benefit from it.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by fnordpiglet »

capital_guy wrote: post #679

I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

For folks with seasonal affective disorder, this makes winter even more hellacious.

Timing of light and absence of light is critical - early morning light exposure greatly benefits people with SAD.

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