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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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> The Senate approved the measure, called the Sunshine Protection Act,

Not to be confused with "sunshine laws", and using that word for an unrelated legal measure could, uh, cloud things.

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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

Circadian rhythms and all that. The body reacts to sunlight. It's been shown that auto accidents are more common when people wake in darkness as the brain is still spinning up. It's why we use f.lux to help us go to sleep.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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I'm completely in favour of not regularly shifting the clock backwards and forwards, but making daylight savings time permanent instead of standard time is so dumb. I guarantee this is because people think they will "get more daylight" or something stupid like that. I guess this is the pragmatic solution to getting people to agree to stop the shifting but damn, we are so far from Star Trek right now.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#705

If we’re going to stop switching clocks, shouldn't it obviously be for permanent standard time, not DST?

The lack of agreement on this point tells us something about why we change clocks and why we should continue to do so (albeit more smoothly).

> The lack of agreement on this point tells us something about why we change clocks and why we should continue to do so (albeit more smoothly).

Personally, I see the options from best to worst as:

1. permanent standard time

2. permanent daylight time

3. change clocks twice a year

4. change clocks more frequently but by a smaller increment.

Lack of consensus as to which of the first two should be #1 isn't an argument for #4.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

> I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. I try to when I can. But you are right. Most people's lives revolve around work. For most of human existence, our lives revolved around the sun. Now it revolves around a job.

>For most of human existence, our lives revolved around the sun. Now it revolves around a job.

I blame our corporate reality as much as the next guy but tbh even without work most people's lives don't exactly revolve around the sun. Or else the clubs on the weekends would be empty

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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It feels like we live in such a post-truth world, even the clock will now be an untruth. Couldn't we just use standard time, and let people wake and sleep when they choose, instead of creating an illusion for them?

Making solar noon match the numerical rollover from 12->1 doesn't seem like the worst idea in the world, though it would probably make more sense to have 11am -> 12am -> 1pm (noon).

I agree that makes more sense (though I'd take a 24 hour clock over that), but let me know how you are going to get everyone to go along ...

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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I am extremely surprised at all the people who are against this, saying that "Making DST permanent forces people to wake up earlier." I am not sure I know a single person whose morning wake-up time is dictated by the rise of the sun. Everyone I know wakes up whatever time that their work tells them to. I am happy to have more sun after I get out of work. It was a breath of fresh air this week getting out of work and…

For folks with seasonal affective disorder, this makes winter even more hellacious. Timing of light and absence of light is critical - early morning light exposure greatly benefits people with SAD.

Wouldn't quite a few people like this sleep through the sunrise and be happy to have an extra hour of daylight at the end of the day? I don't see how its any worse for the non-morning people in that group.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

I do not see how either daylight or standard time is fundamentally easier than the other. I could just as easily tell people who want brighter winter mornings to just wake up later. The argument in favor of DST generally goes that people have more spare time in the afternoon than in the morning. So extending afternoon sunlight hours benefits more people.

The government wants everyone to have more daylight hours after work, since that's correlated with higher economic activity.

From the government's perspective, they cannot force all companies to shift their working hours, but they can shift the clock. They're changing the abstraction once instead of changing all concrete implementations.

This change doesn't make a difference for most of us in tech, since we can usually set our own hours. But it does make a difference for shift workers.

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