As a late riser I am thrilled by this development.
US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#492I mentioned something similar in a comment last year, but I think there's going to be a lot of moaning about late sunrises in US in December. Roughly 8:15-8:20 am around the solstice in New York, DC, Chicago, and even Austin. Not til nearly 9am in Seattle. The sun won't rise before 8am in NYC for basically all of December and January. I'd even be willing to guess that the amount of moaning might be equal to what we g…
This is why the suicide rates will continue to climb. They voted to keep the clock still, but used the wrong time. I just wish the movie Idiocracy would stop turning into a f*&cking documentary. Is that so much to ask?!?!?!
You do realize that Detroit and Boston are already effectively in different timezones as far as the sun is concerned?
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#493This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…
I do not see how either daylight or standard time is fundamentally easier than the other. I could just as easily tell people who want brighter winter mornings to just wake up later.
The argument in favor of DST generally goes that people have more spare time in the afternoon than in the morning. So extending afternoon sunlight hours benefits more people.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#494This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…
What do you mean they can just leave work earlier? There are tons of jobs where the shift hours are defined, eg 9-5 or 8-4 and you can’t simply leave earlier.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#495My personal pet peeve is when people write the Standard Time acronym when scheduling cross-timezone meetings, despite the fact that it is Daylight Saving Time. (Eg. "I'll call you tomorrow at 4pm PST.") In the past, I've gotten paranoid that they may live somewhere that doesn't observe Daylight Savings, but I also don't want to seem like a pedant by bringing up their mistake. I'm curious if this change will make this…
I wish “Prevailing Time” would catch on. Eg PPT
What you're talking about is just "PT", but I usually just write out the word "Pacific".
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#496We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...
I don’t get this at all. Why would people want the sun to go down in the afternoon? In my time zone it sets at 4:30 part of the year! That’s awful, and sunrise is at around 7:00am. We have way more sun in the morning.
There is a whole body of research, comparing the areas on both sides of time zone boundaries. The results unanimously show that living too far west of your time zone's center line, has negative effects on health and economy. In light of this research, permanent winter time would be good for health and economy. Permanent summer time will be worse.
Linkdump:
https://www.econ.pitt.edu/sites/default/files/WP%2017-009.up...
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/cebp/26/8/1306.full.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21231877
https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/10.5664/jcsm.8780
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29636342
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276058441_The_incid...
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#497Back in '08 when the US dates of DST changed, I was working on a Java-based enterprise software product with a relatively large install base. It suddenly became known to a lot of customers that timezone tables are part of the JRE, and simply updating the OS wasn't enough to get proper time calculations in Java. It was a very stressful time getting customers with many different versions of Java across dozens of platfo…
Considering how frequently time zones around the world change, any OS or software that doesn't auto update them from a standard list at this point deserves to break.
"Auto update from a standard list" - please point me to this standard list. Note - I need to know for a given user at a given location what a millis from epoch equates to in local time, for times that could be before or after this change, so I need timezone conversions AND what dates they were in effect for. I also need some SLAs, and ideally someone I can pay; not much, but enough to feel confident I can get support and/or that it'll be around a decade from now.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#498This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…
I've noticed people with kids tend to share this position, while those without prefer DST.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#499Woo hoo! This is going to be really great for Seattle, where the sun sets at 4PM in the winter.
Washington state has already voted on this change locally, and are only waiting for congressional approval at the federal level.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#500The whole world going to the same time zone, usually proposed in these discussions, doesn't work - sun-time dissociates with clock-time, making words like "night" and "noon" confusing. However, I would like to see a North American Standard time (NAT): Set the clock at half-way between US Mountain and Central times and apply it to all of North America (with maybe a few extreme exceptions, such as western Alaska and Ha…
Sounds crazy, but works for India and China, so it's not impossible, just very very improbable ;_)