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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by _greim_ »

bilalq wrote: post #101

We thought Y2K38 would be the next big industry challenge, but I expect a lot of things are going to go wrong with a change with just a year or two of notice. I love that this is happening, but I'm pretty certain a lot of random things are going to break when the cutover happens.

When they shifted the transition time by a month a few years back I remember it causing grief. I had to get rid of an alarm clock that was hard-wired for the old cutover. There were a few other minor inconveniences. Random things definitely broke.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by beefman »

dragonwriter wrote: post #445

If we’re going to stop switching clocks, shouldn't it obviously be for permanent standard time, not DST?

The lack of agreement on this point tells us something about why we change clocks and why we should continue to do so (albeit more smoothly).

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by pleb_nz »

I propose

Seconds should be made to have a different duration depending on the time of day and year the second is ticked. This would happen in a way to facilitate a sunrise and sunset to occur at the same time every day of the year.

I name this plebian time.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by conductr »

Smithalicious wrote: post #269

Watching Americans freak out about post-8AM sunrises is surreal to me. The sun doesn't rise until 8:45 during the darkest times of the year here in the Netherlands and its really not much of an issue. Whether standard time or summer time is the better choice here is something I hold no opinion on, but the sheer hysteria some people here express is very overblown.

It's mostly because US is a big place (lng/lat diversity) and folks are rather mobile within it's borders. So, it becomes common to hear stories of the Floridian that moved to Seattle and how depressing it is.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by chapium »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #26

Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.

I could think of something worse than both :)

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by Monkoton1 »

captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

Not everyone has the freedom to choose when to get off work as many have commitments from looking after children and to commute. Given a fixed schedule, I think more people have free time in the afternoon and would like to have that time be in the light and spend the time like commuting in the dark.

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Post by glwtta »

D13Fd wrote: post #403

I really don't like that they picked permanent DST. Does no one realize that this means that we all have to get up one hour earlier year round? That kids will have to travel to school in the dark for the majority of the year, including in most cases standing around in the freezing cold at unlit bus stops? It's still better than resetting the clocks. But I really they should have chosen standard time. Also, this means…

I would've fucking rioted if they picked permanent "standard" time.

I don't care about kids or their bus stops. Also, just put some lights on them, then (the bus stops, or the kids, doesn't really matter).

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by fknorangesite »

captainmuon wrote: post #450

This is ridiculous. Why don't they make the regular time permanent? And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time. I know people will say it's too hard to change habits and (clock) work hours, but with permanent DST you will have to change that anyway, when people realize how dark winter mornings will be. I predict a…

> And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier.

What percentage of people do you think get to choose what time they can leave work?

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Post by stormbrew »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #389
ddlatham wrote: post #360

We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...

I wonder if our interconnected world will make this different. I’m guessing people are more adversely affected by DST than previously. Also from your link: > In the state of Florida alone, at least six school children were killed by motorists due to the dark mornings created by the new law. I wonder how in the world they attributed that to DST?

Probably by ignoring the 'background noise' of every single after school death that could be attributed to early sunsets.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Post by hbarka »

runlevel1 wrote: post #439
hbarka wrote: post #263

When do we see this take permanent effect in California? It feels like this has been decided many months ago but why is the implementation in limbo?

Federal law currently allows states to opt out of DST and use permanent Standard Time. It doesn't permit states to use permanent DST. This is a byproduct of the Uniform Time Act.[^1] CA's Prop 7 was contingent on federal authorization. CO, WA, OR, and many other states are all waiting on that too.[^2] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Time_Act [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_…

Whether it’s PST or PDT, let’s pick one please and get it done. When do you see it taking effect?
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