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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by waffleiron »

smt88 wrote: post #192
waffleiron wrote: post #82

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>He's certainly much more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler because he can unilaterally end human life on earth at any moment of any day. This is Biden too. Literally can unilaterally start a nuclear war.

> This is Biden too. Literally can unilaterally start a nuclear war. So what? What does that have to do with anything? Biden has never threatened nuclear war and has nothing to gain from it. Putin has threatened it repeatedly in the last few weeks. Biden is more powerful than Putin, Stalin, or Hitler, but he is not as dangerous .

>So what? What does that have to do with anything?

Because my reply was to:

>much more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler because

Note the "because", the exact same argument stands for Biden, but we wouldn't argue he's more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler. I was pointing out the weakness in the "because".

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Post by mekster »

sjmm1989 wrote: post #251

It's a shame that Yandex is getting this treatment... It's translation service is by my opinion far better, since I have been able to use it very effectively to converse with anyone around the world in their native tongue. Google... ... I learned the hard way that google is not that great at translating. It seems good, to those who haven't found out why it's bad. P.S. I can basically copy and paste a yandex translati…

I suppose they're one of the great tech companies with products that anyone in the world can use.

For instance, ClickHouse is a great opensource database that gives unmatched performance for its kind.

Hope the innocent Russians will be treated well.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by mekster »

dotcoma wrote: post #79
oh_sigh wrote: post #35

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Hard to pass up $500M/yr

Do they really need all that money? They could perhaps get good money, even if considerably less, from DDG.

Who wants to let go of free money? Mozilla is way overpaid, they probably lost focus other than paying $100m for browser development and MDN and probably the rest wasted.

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Post by staticassertion »

isaiahg wrote: post #352
staticassertion wrote: post #295

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I'm fine with this move but Mozilla has sunk well below an acceptable bar. The company sucks and has failed us all. The CEO is a joke and should have never been in the position.

Do you care to explain why you feel that way. All this hate I see for Mozilla really feels undeserved considering all the good they do

My "hate" is for the executives, not Mozilla. Firing a ton of engineers "because covid" from promising projects while taking huge, ever increasing bonuses as the browser's market share falls, is inexcusable. I'd criticize any executive for the same thing.

They're (the execs) utter failures.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by staticassertion »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #315
tananaev wrote: post #290

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Yandex News are definitely in line with Russian government propaganda. It's a news aggregator, so it might look like propaganda because all popular news outlets are propaganda. Not sure if they filter anything themselves. But I think it still makes sense to put a pressure on the company anyway.

> ...Russian government propaganda. It's a news aggregator, so it might look like propaganda because all popular news outlets are propaganda. Not sure if they filter anything themselves. But I think it still makes sense to put a pressure on the company anyway. As opposed to what Western News Media coverage on the war has turned into, aka, more Propaganda? The middle ground is not promoting our own Propaganda instead,…

What propaganda? I'm sure there's bias in reporting, no question. But bias, say in support of Ukraine, is very different from saying that there's no conflict at all.

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Post by swores »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #226
ogurechny wrote: post #194

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Sadly, search quality for “the rest of the world” has been neglected for years, and it's a miracle yandex.com still works. Mail is one of the services that is kept up to date, with translations and stuff, and it's nice. As for the global issues, a) Iron curtain for the Internet (i. e. absolutely everything not working properly) would be a sure way to get every commoner, currently soothed with entertainment, on the st…

Aren't Facebook, Instagram and TikTok already banned or crippled in Russia? That pretty much is the "internet" for most people.

If whatever handful of things are your most used sites/services/etc online were shut down tomorrow would you consider it the end of the internet for you? You'd (I guess, at least I would) immediately move to the next best (maybe even discover it's better!) or wait for a competitor to spring up.

So there's a huge difference between those few platforms blocking Russia but a whole world of alternative ways to spend time online vs. only domestic Russian options.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

nikolqy wrote: post #333
dataflow wrote: post #165

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Off-topic, but Firefox is on 98 already? isn't Chrome on 99 too? Was their goal to "catch up" or something?

I was wondering the same thing. I think over the past months or even years, Mozilla has been trying to get their version to be the same number as Chrome. Maybe if they focused on making a faster browser they wouldn’t need to play silly number games with their versions.

The ship of Mozilla not playing silly games has long ago sailed.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

philliphaydon wrote: post #273
behnamoh wrote: post #170

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I remember Mozilla were pretty pissed off at Chrome’s inaccurate versioning that induced a feeling of “chrome is 60 but ff is still on 3.5 so chrome has to be better “.

That's definitely the impression non-techy people seem to get from the numbering.

IME non-techy people don't even know the name of their browser (or that it's called a browser, "oh you mean The Internet") nevermind the version number.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by boomboomsubban »

0xy wrote: post #345
boomboomsubban wrote: post #328

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Baker became provisional CEO in December 2019, and formally took the job in 2020. We only have salary information for one year she held the position, if that. I'm not sure if 2019 or 2020 is the last available. And when executive salaries were rising and user share dropping, revenues were way up. From $120 million in 2010 to $520 million in 2016. Of course some of that will go to the people in charge.

The extra cash is not because Firefox is more successful, it's an additional bribe from Google so they can point to an alternative browser when governments come after them for browser anti-trust. Most of their non-Firefox pet projects have been failures. Implying she joined in December 2019 is seriously underplaying her role before then. [1] Her accomplishments as CEO are tanking growth, a slew of failed projects, ma…

>extra cash is not because Firefox is more successful, it's an additional bribe from Google so they can point to an alternative browser when governments come after them for browser anti-trust.

Except yknow, 2016 where the majority of their money came from Yahoo. Because that money is buying something of value, Google is just the company that most wants the product.

>Implying she joined in December 2019 is seriously underplaying her role before then.

She became provisional CEO in 2019, like I said. And I'd have to guess she was officially hired as nobody better wanted the job for the salary.

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