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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

stonewareslord wrote: post #127
fortnum wrote: post #104

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Honest answer :) Because I do not condone that move. It will be difficult because I have been using Firefox for years and tried to avoid anything Chrome-based and I am not very happy with Google's Manifest v3 approach, but Mozilla just crossed a red line for me.

Did it really cross a red line for you? I feel like Firefox is judged much more harshly than Chrome and it's unfair. Mozilla the company has made some terrible decisions that I strongly disagree with (update page featuring a movie ad, pocket integration, removing a search engine from the defaults, nerfing android addons for no reason) But compared to every other browser, I don't understand how people think it's even…

> I feel like Firefox is judged much more harshly than Chrome and it's unfair.

Mozilla claimed that their mission was to empower users. Some people are more upset by hypocrisy than the actual actions. If they want to change https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ from "More power to you." to, say, "More power to us." then I'd personally be a lot less irritated at them.

(This isn't specifically a comment on the current subject, BTW; I've been increasingly irritated by Mozilla's hypocrisy for years now.)

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by _-david-_ »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #195
_-david-_ wrote: post #182

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You pretty much have to deal with big tech to have an app and no social media site can really be big without it. (I know side loading exists on android). Parler hosting on Amazon was an incredibly dumb decision though.

An app is basically just an HTML widget. Do you really need an app? Like the main reason you typically build one is because it's much harder to spy on your users when they're in a browser.

I don't need an app, but the average person needs an app. The average person doesn't know how to set up a pwa and doesn't want to use a browser.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by the_af »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #103
waffleiron wrote: post #81

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People are dying in Yemen every single day, and the world doesn't exclude Saudi Arabia from everything. The double standard happens right now even.

Once the war in Ukraine is over, maybe there's an opportunity here to focus a boycott on them ?

But can you bet on what will actually happen though? Because I can. Western democracies are pretty selective on which dictatorships and failing democracies they decide to pay attention to.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by kvathupo »

BuckRogers wrote: post #20
smt88 wrote: post #12

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The deal is simple: when Russia stops slaughtering Ukrainian civilians, the rest of the world will stop isolating their economy. It's much like the shipping blockades that were used against the European Axis countries in WWII. Russian civilians should consider themselves lucky that the war is only economic for them.

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Although I occasionally commit the cardinal sin of entertaining political discourse on HN, I think such disturbing statements aren't appropriate for HN.

As a fellow American, I encourage you to reassess your comment and consider if it may be guilty of American exceptionalism. I'm particularly confused by the grouping of "Greco-Roman ideals" since Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece were quite different in political structure and philosophy. For the former, Rome definitely wasn't a democracy at times [1], [2], [3]. Even during the Republic, I'm not sure it resembled a democracy as we know it today, but I'll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to answer [4].

Under the assumption, however, that "western civilization" is some unified blob of Enlightenment era thought, you must agree that there has been resistance to such ideas in the US [5].

Such arguments by vagueness remind me of Bezos's management style, which purportedly penalizes such communication approaches: "PowerPoint had become a tool for disguising fuzzy thinking" [6].

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Kingdom

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principate

[3] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominate

[4] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_the_Roman_Republic

[5] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism_in_Americ...

[6] - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/11/what-je...

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by gkop »

yoasif_ wrote: post #227
perihelions wrote: post #191

Here's a workaround to add an arbitrary non-blessed search engine as the default (i.e. what the omnibar points to): https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-or-remove-search-en... Be aware that in Firefox, the "Search Bar" is a distinct widget from the "Address Bar" (omnibar/"awesomebar"). If it's missing or you can't find it, here's the docs for that UX flow: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/customize-firefox-co…

The Omnibar is Chromium/Chrome specific. The Firefox address bar is also known as the awesomebar, but has never been known as the omnibar. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/a-little-something-aweso...

I've heard omnibar used to describe the more general UX pattern of providing at a focal point a single freetext input that surfaces items across collections. It's a neat pattern because it's both pretty and can be useful.

I'll take your word for it it came from Chrome's Omnibar, the timeline in my memory lines up.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by [deleted] »

yoasif_ wrote: post #227
perihelions wrote: post #191

Here's a workaround to add an arbitrary non-blessed search engine as the default (i.e. what the omnibar points to): https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-or-remove-search-en... Be aware that in Firefox, the "Search Bar" is a distinct widget from the "Address Bar" (omnibar/"awesomebar"). If it's missing or you can't find it, here's the docs for that UX flow: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/customize-firefox-co…

The Omnibar is Chromium/Chrome specific. The Firefox address bar is also known as the awesomebar, but has never been known as the omnibar. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/a-little-something-aweso...

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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by perihelions »

yoasif_ wrote: post #227
perihelions wrote: post #191

Here's a workaround to add an arbitrary non-blessed search engine as the default (i.e. what the omnibar points to): https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-or-remove-search-en... Be aware that in Firefox, the "Search Bar" is a distinct widget from the "Address Bar" (omnibar/"awesomebar"). If it's missing or you can't find it, here's the docs for that UX flow: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/customize-firefox-co…

The Omnibar is Chromium/Chrome specific. The Firefox address bar is also known as the awesomebar, but has never been known as the omnibar. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/a-little-something-aweso...

TIL, thanks! I've added that word.

(In my defense, even the support.mozilla.org docs themselves seem to avoid it; the one I linked only refers to it as "address bar").

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by ezconnect »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #226
ogurechny wrote: post #194

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Sadly, search quality for “the rest of the world” has been neglected for years, and it's a miracle yandex.com still works. Mail is one of the services that is kept up to date, with translations and stuff, and it's nice. As for the global issues, a) Iron curtain for the Internet (i. e. absolutely everything not working properly) would be a sure way to get every commoner, currently soothed with entertainment, on the st…

Aren't Facebook, Instagram and TikTok already banned or crippled in Russia? That pretty much is the "internet" for most people.

WeChat is the internet for most people.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by marginalia_nu »

_-david-_ wrote: post #242
marginalia_nu wrote: post #195

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An app is basically just an HTML widget. Do you really need an app? Like the main reason you typically build one is because it's much harder to spy on your users when they're in a browser.

I don't need an app, but the average person needs an app. The average person doesn't know how to set up a pwa and doesn't want to use a browser.

Eh, I honestly don't know about that. I think the average user struggles telling the difference between an app and a website.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by max599 »

kazinator wrote: post #77
m0ngr31 wrote: post #76

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Should they have blocked Google and Bing after the invasion of Iraq?

Bing didn't exist in 2003 (launched in 2009), and I don't think that Firefox ("Firebird" at the time) had a search bar with search engines.

Bombing civilians in the middle east didn't stop in 2009­.
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